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Killa4luv
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8/19/2005  1:11 AM

1.)San Antonio Spurs

They re-signed Robert "big shot" Horry and brought over a promising foreign center in Fabricio Oberto. No key pieces have been lost, so expect them to make another run for the championship next season.

2.)Miami Heat

Miami is officially re-loaded. Trading Eddie Jones and spare parts for Jason Williams, James Posey, and Antoine Walker is a real steal for Pat Riley. Some say the chemistry will be damaged and Williams/Walker won’t fit into the team concept. Those are valid concerns, but you can’t question the return on value. Dealing one starter and getting back three is amazing. In addition, they locked up Shaq for the next five years at a hefty cost of one hundred million dollars. Though, it could have cost them a lot more. Unless the injury bug bites, this team should be the best in the East.

3.) Detroit Pistons

This is another team that hasn’t made many changes in player personnel. They lost Larry Brown but hired a great replacement in Flip Saunders. What Larry did with this team was amazing and Flip certainly has some big shoes to fill.

4.) Dallas Mavericks

They signed Doug Christie, who should help them on the defensive end. The roster is stacked with talent and is a lock to win fifty or more games

5.) Houston Rockets

Signing Stromile Swift was a fantastic move by the Rockets.His athleticism and shot blocking abilities are exactly what they needed at the power forward position. They’ve re-signed Jon Barry and are close to re-upping Dikembe Mutombo. Both are key components to their second unit. Though, they still need a steady, pass-first point guard.

6.) Phoenix Suns

Losing Joe Johnson is going to hurt. Dealing away Quentin Richardson and the rights to Nate Robinson for Kurt Thomas could backfire big time. Though, Thomas will provide some much needed lowpost defense and signing Raja Bell will help their perimeter D. The Suns will still be competitive, but don’t expect 62-20 again.

7.) Indiana Pacers

Sarunas Jasikevicius is going to help Indiana in the shooting department, but will his big ego accept a smaller role with an NBA team? Now that Reggie Miller is gone, the franchise really needs Jermaine O’Neal to step up and become the locker room leader.

8.) Sacramento Kings

They lost Cuttino Mobley but traded for a quality replacement in Bonzi Wells. They recently went out and signed the consistent Shareef Abdur-Rahim to a bargain basement contract. Injuries could once again prove to be an issue, but on paper, Sacto is looking pretty good.

9.) Denver Nuggets

They’ve stayed relatively quiet this offseason. Drafting Julius Hodge will help them immensely in the backcourt. If they can sign Michael Finley (if he’s waived) then Denver will be very competitive

10.).New Jersey Nets

The Nets passed on Shareef, but acquired a solid big man in Marc Jackson via trade. In order for Jersey to be a serious threat in the East, Kidd and RJ have to stay healthy.

11.) Chicago Bulls

It looks like they’ll wind up keeping both Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler (at least through next season). Paxson has been playing hardball with both and it seems to be working. This team should be even better next year as their young talent continues to mature.

12.) Philadelphia 76ers

Billy King was true to his word. He re-signed all of his key free agents—Dalembert, Green, and Korver. They dealt away Marc Jackson but replaced him with the younger Steven Hunter. If Chris Webber can stay healthy, then Philly should be back in the playoff picture.

13.) Los Angeles Lakers

Re-hiring Phil Jackson will definitely get them back into playoff contention. The Kwame trade was surprising and very risky. He could bust out and become a new Jermaine O’Neal. Or, he could continue to wallow in mediocrity.


14.) Washington Wizards

Losing Larry Hughes will hurt, but they signed a decent replacement in Antonio Daniels. In addition, they received optimal value for Kwame Brown in Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins. I expect this team to remain a playoff threat in the East.


15.) Cleveland Cavaliers

Kudos to Danny Ferry for making such an immediate impact. He certainly didn’t drag his feet when it came to free agent signings. Landing both Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall will give LeBron the offensive help he so desperately needed. Re-signing Ilgauskas was smart, since he’s one of the few true centers left in the game. Of course, they still need a consistent 3-point shooter.


16.) Minnesota Timerwolves

They dealt away Sam Cassell and a first round pick in exchange for Marko Jaric and Lionel Chalmers. Jaric is an intriguing player, but each season he’s played in less and less games. They’re a threat to make the playoffs, but I don’t see this team returning to serious title contention anytime soon.

17.)New York Knicks

You have to give credit to Zeke for landing Larry Brown. That move alone will put NY back into the playoff picture, especially in the weak Atlantic.

18.) Utah Jazz

Drafting Deron Williams will help them get back to respectability sooner rather than later. Trading Raul Lopez, Kirk Snyder, and Curtis Borchardt for Greg Ostertag was just plain dumb. Of course, they still have Sloan at the helm and if AK47 can stay healthy, they should be competitive.

19.) Seattle Supersonics

Re-signing Ray was good, but losing Nate McMillan, Antonio Daniels, and Jerome James will hurt big time.

20.)Boston Celtics

Drafting Gerald Green at 18 was an absolute steal, though he’s still two years away from consistent production. They dealt Antoine Walker and got back some value, but not much. This team is loaded with youth and could struggle.

21.) Golden State Warriors

This team is going to surprise many next season. Everyone just needs to stay healthy.

22.) Memphis Grizzlies

They’ve replaced Jason Williams, James Posey, and Bonzi Wells with Damon Stoudamire, Eddie Jones, and Bobby Jackson. That’s not really improvement.

23.) Milwaukee Bucks

Re-signing Michael Redd was great, but is he really worth 90 million dollars? Drafting Andrew Bogut will help them immediately in the frontcourt. Signing Bobby Simmons to a massive contract was surprising. They needed a productive power forward more than another small forward.

24.) Orlando Magic

Dwight Howard continues to impress me. I expect a breakout season from him. Though, taking Fran Vasquez over the likes of Sean May, Danny Granger, and Gerald Green will haunt this franchise for years—bank on that

25.) Portland Trailblazers

Hiring Nate McMillan was a fantastic move, but this team is very young and it will take time for all the pieces to fit together.

26.) Los Angeles Clippers

They lost Bobby Simmons, which will hurt them defensively. To counteract the loss, they signed Cuttino Mobley. He’s a good scorer and decent defender. They received great value for Marko Jaric in the form of Sam Cassell and a future first round pick. But you have to wonder if Cassell will accept playing for a team like the Clippers.

27.) Toronto Raptors

They had a puzzling draft and haven’t done much in free agency. I expect more of the same out of this team (i.e. mediocrity).

28.) Charlotte Bobcats

Drafting Ray Felton and Sean May will provide immediate results. This team won’t make the playoffs, but they’ll certainly play hard each and every night.

29.) New Orleans Hornets

They haven’t done much with their cap space. Though, drafting Chris Paul with the fourth pick was a great move. But expect another lottery season from this rebuilding team.

30.) Atlanta Hawks
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Killa4luv
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8/19/2005  1:18 AM
First things first, I don't see any way that Cleveland, Minnesota, and Washington are clearly better than us. I just dont see it.

Minnesota lost Spree and Cassell and have no real replacements, how are they not a lotto team again?

Washington added a piece which will make them good, but we are there with them.

Cleveland is in trouble. I think Lebron and Hughes are a bad combination, neither can shoot. I am not scared of them, but they are a good team.

Pacers at 7 is ridiculous, they will be an elite team next year, top 5 in the league at least.

Golden State will not be 21, they will be in the playoffs, they are gonna take Memphis' spot from last season.
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8/19/2005  1:18 AM
i think you can never go wrong acquiring as much talent as possible.
sometimes that doesn't win it all but it does put you in the elite and in a position to - that's all you can ask for.

portland go to within minutes of getting to the finals.
hof 4 with the lakers got to the finals.

the stars all have to align for a team to win the title but talent is what gets you the opportunity.

i can not see how miami is not the FAVORITE to win it all with all the talent on the squad.
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8/19/2005  1:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think you can never go wrong acquiring as much talent as possible.
sometimes that doesn't win it all but it does put you in the elite and in a position to - that's all you can ask for.

portland go to within minutes of getting to the finals.
hof 4 with the lakers got to the finals.

the stars all have to align for a team to win the title but talent is what gets you the opportunity.

i can not see how miami is not the FAVORITE to win it all with all the talent on the squad.
Yeah but its such a big ? how all those different styles will play together. It is also a question of whether SVG is the man to lead them there.

They clearly have the most talent, but will it all add up?


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8/19/2005  1:24 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

First things first, I don't see any way that Cleveland, Minnesota, and Washington are clearly better than us. I just dont see it.

Minnesota lost Spree and Cassell and have no real replacements, how are they not a lotto team again?

Washington added a piece which will make them good, but we are there with them.

Cleveland is in trouble. I think Lebron and Hughes are a bad combination, neither can shoot. I am not scared of them, but they are a good team.

Pacers at 7 is ridiculous, they will be an elite team next year, top 5 in the league at least.

Golden State will not be 21, they will be in the playoffs, they are gonna take Memphis' spot from last season.


i disagree on cleveland. they do have lebron, who will only get better. he alone is better than anybody else we got. then you got hughes who's probably better than anybody we have other than marbury. and then you have a solid low post center in Z and PF that you have to think is going to get better in gooden. and a more consistent player in yell, who's better than anybody we can throw out there at SF.

i think they are clearly better than us ON PAPER.

washington and us are about even i would say - although if everything clicks, we may be better.

i like GS alot but those 2 AWFUL deals (fish, foyle) may hurt them trying to improve down the road.

i agree about indy, they are getting an all star back and a feisty guard. losing reggie will hurt at times but overall, i think they'll be better off.

i think we're in the middle of the pack - where a .500 team should be.
LB is here - which is awesome.
we have some nice youth.
but we have no idea how it will all work or who will be here come february.
you have to think our young guys will get better b/c, well, they're young.
and you also have to think that 30 year old james will be the same as he's always been.
if that's the case, then we're OK this season with a chance to really cook and gel if it all works out.
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8/19/2005  1:32 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i disagree on cleveland. they do have lebron, who will only get better. he alone is better than anybody else we got. then you got hughes who's probably better than anybody we have other than marbury. and then you have a solid low post center in Z and PF that you have to think is going to get better in gooden. and a more consistent player in yell, who's better than anybody we can throw out there at SF.

i think they are clearly better than us ON PAPER.

I forgot about Drew Gooden AND Donyell. Yes they are better on paper.
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8/19/2005  6:49 AM
I think we'll start the power rankings low like this one. However, as the season moves on, we'll move up considerably IMO.

Also, those puss Nets will fall. Number 10? Those people are on crack. That took alot of goddamn nerve.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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8/19/2005  8:29 AM
I think these are pretty good power rankings. The Knicks just have to play up them, if they win they will move up.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/19/2005  8:35 AM
exactly, if Frye and NAte are impact rookies, Q is solid and Jerome can actually stay on the court Isiah will get a much better grade. We have a lot of ifs, other teams have added more bonafid commodities
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8/19/2005  8:42 AM
The only issue I have is that this is to reminiscent of last year's offseason.

So many ifs on which the seasons depends.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/19/2005  10:15 AM
Im giving the team the whole season to make a grade. Its gonna be ugly at times, but its not about this season, its about the two after!

Let larry sort it out. He is going to inflict pain in our guys, but he gets to paint his canvass and has 4 years to do it. We are not ready made like Detroit was. This will take time.
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8/19/2005  6:03 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

First things first, I don't see any way that Cleveland, Minnesota, and Washington are clearly better than us. I just dont see it.

Minnesota lost Spree and Cassell and have no real replacements, how are they not a lotto team again?

Washington added a piece which will make them good, but we are there with them.

Cleveland is in trouble. I think Lebron and Hughes are a bad combination, neither can shoot. I am not scared of them, but they are a good team.

Pacers at 7 is ridiculous, they will be an elite team next year, top 5 in the league at least.

Golden State will not be 21, they will be in the playoffs, they are gonna take Memphis' spot from last season.


what is rediculous, how are the knicks ahead of the clippers is more like it.

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8/19/2005  6:14 PM
I don't care about the West.

But as far as the East goes - Washington's starting 5 + Daniels clearly better than ours. Our bench is better, but so friggin what.

Miami's better overall. Same goes for Indiana, Detroit, and Philly. NJ would be among those, but without a legit starting PF, and a weak-ass bench, they're a . Cleveland will have a better starting 5, but a weaker bench, so we can contend with them. Same goes for Chicago, Milwaukee, and maybe Boston.

That leaves us with what -- ehh, something, but not exactly a whole lot. If you guys are perfectly happy with the roster as is, ya fired.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/19/2005  6:16 PM
Our problem, btw, is that we clearly have no dominant big men. Same could be said for Seattle last year, but they had Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.....uhh, end of story. Plus they had a far better bench.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/19/2005  6:18 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I don't care about the West.

But as far as the East goes - Washington's starting 5 + Daniels clearly better than ours. Our bench is better, but so friggin what.

Miami's better overall. Same goes for Indiana, Detroit, and Philly. NJ would be among those, but without a legit starting PF, and a weak-ass bench, they're a . Cleveland will have a better starting 5, but a weaker bench, so we can contend with them. Same goes for Chicago, Milwaukee, and maybe Boston.

That leaves us with what -- ehh, something, but not exactly a whole lot. If you guys are perfectly happy with the roster as is, ya fired.



ok, so Washington has a better starting 5, but our bench is better, so we cant compete with them.... but then, the Cavs starting 5 is better, but our bench is better, so we can "contend" with them? wheres the logic..

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8/19/2005  6:22 PM
^ My bad.......didn't catch that.

This is what I meant:

Can't contend with - Miami, Indiana, Detroit, Philly(believe it)

Can Contend with - Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Boston, etc.


That doesn't make me jump up and down, especially with the highest payroll in the league...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/19/2005  6:26 PM
can you please explain to me why we cant compete with Philly...I dont wanna call you an idiot but saying we cant compete with Philly is idiotic

[Edited by - NYK3 on 08-19-2005 6:30 PM]
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bobs3304
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8/19/2005  6:36 PM
So instead of calling me an "idiot" you call me "idiotic".....

-- sly...


Just take a look at Philly's freakin roster. They're LOADED.

But I'll admit, we can probably compete with them only b/c of our bench.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/20/2005  12:35 AM
Wow, that list is very confusing. Phil Jackson will not take Lakers to the playoffs. Larry will take our Knicks.
It's funny how this whole world is based on one dummy controlling another,and the leader dummy was chosen by a whole bunch of dummies.
bobs3304
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8/20/2005  12:38 AM
^ If the Lakers miss the playoffs, why would we make it????
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Real GM rankings have some weird placements imo.

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