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simrud
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8/15/2005  9:35 AM
Not only does he have one of the shorter (there is a team option on his last year) contracts on the team, he is also better then Rose, Taylor and prolly Houston at this point.

Waiving him like realGM seems to be saying we are is retarded. If anybody would be great playin for Brown its JYD, who should have been starting last year anyways instead of Fugazy.

Its unbelieveable that we are not waiving Rose who is a total waste of space on the roster, on Taylor who is even worse.



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8/15/2005  9:39 AM
Well the final decision has yet to be rendered. Frank Arse-ola predicted that it'll be JYD, but he also predicted that Mike Fratello was gona be the Knicks' coach after Done Chaney too.
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8/15/2005  9:56 AM
Well, most of NY papers are saying that JYD will be waived today.

THIS IS INSANE! He is a good player and has only 2 more yrs guaranteed. If anyone should be waived, it should be the contract of Shandon, or Taylor if we need to open up a roster spot.

JYD should stay!
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8/15/2005  10:02 AM
come on guys, I really like JYD, but lets face it, he is not better than malik rose and Mo taylor is a more skilled player. Heck David lee can do what JYD does and quite frankly he should be getting JYD's minutes, I look at it like this, at least we have more minutes at forward for Lee and frye. JYD is grossly overpaid, he was given that much money to help keep Vince Carter in toronto, other than that JYD is expendable.
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8/15/2005  10:09 AM
JYD is the type of guy you want on your bench...he's always up...he energizes everyone...even if he's not playing, he's more valuable to this franchise than Mo T is...it's not even close...what do you need Mo T for when you have Sweetney anyway? both of them play no D & are low post players who can score & grab some rebounds...we need more defensive minded players...JYD fits the bill, & you know LB would love the guy.
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8/15/2005  10:11 AM
Posted by TMS:

JYD is the type of guy you want on your bench...he's always up...he energizes everyone...even if he's not playing, he's more valuable to this franchise than Mo T is...it's not even close...what do you need Mo T for when you have Sweetney anyway? both of them play no D & are low post players who can score & grab some rebounds...we need more defensive minded players...JYD fits the bill, & you know LB would love the guy.

i agree, mo T is going to be in larry's doghouse anyway until he expires or gets traded, may as well keep around players who may be useful anyway.
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8/15/2005  10:12 AM
I would waive Penny before JYD. Having a huge ending contract is good enough. It will be hard to trade just 1, never mind 2.
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8/15/2005  10:17 AM
Posted by TMS:

JYD is the type of guy you want on your bench...he's always up...he energizes everyone...even if he's not playing, he's more valuable to this franchise than Mo T is...it's not even close...what do you need Mo T for when you have Sweetney anyway? both of them play no D & are low post players who can score & grab some rebounds...we need more defensive minded players...JYD fits the bill, & you know LB would love the guy.


ah, David lee can do what JYD does, and the fact that mo taylor has a low post game is why we keep him, the league is short on post players, so even if Mo T can play 10 mins a game and give us some post play, that to me is worth more than JYD waving his towel and barking from the sidelines. I like JYD but come on man, this guy is not rodman..

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8/15/2005  10:22 AM
it's a question of what you value more...defense or offense...i feel you need defense to win games on a consistent basis...we have enough scorers on this team as it is in Marbury, Craw, Q, Nate, Sweetney, & Frye.
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8/15/2005  10:27 AM
Posted by tkf:

come on guys, I really like JYD, but lets face it, he is not better than malik rose and Mo taylor is a more skilled player. Heck David lee can do what JYD does and quite frankly he should be getting JYD's minutes, I look at it like this, at least we have more minutes at forward for Lee and frye. JYD is grossly overpaid, he was given that much money to help keep Vince Carter in toronto, other than that JYD is expendable.
What makes Malik Rose a better player??? His going to be our next Kurt Thomas: he will start complaining for not being a starter and finally he will become our next undersized with no post game starting PF.
On the other hand, JYD will simply do what the coach wants him to do, and while he is not playing, he will do his best to help his team mates.
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8/15/2005  10:32 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by tkf:

come on guys, I really like JYD, but lets face it, he is not better than malik rose and Mo taylor is a more skilled player. Heck David lee can do what JYD does and quite frankly he should be getting JYD's minutes, I look at it like this, at least we have more minutes at forward for Lee and frye. JYD is grossly overpaid, he was given that much money to help keep Vince Carter in toronto, other than that JYD is expendable.
What makes Malik Rose a better player??? His going to be our next Kurt Thomas: he will start complaining for not being a starter and finally he will become our next undersized with no post game starting PF.
On the other hand, JYD will simply do what the coach wants him to do, and while he is not playing, he will do his best to help his team mates.

I have no problem with Rose being "the next Kurt Thomas" - I wouldn't mind having an 11 and 11 type player that can defend most big power forwards
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8/15/2005  10:35 AM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by tkf:

come on guys, I really like JYD, but lets face it, he is not better than malik rose and Mo taylor is a more skilled player. Heck David lee can do what JYD does and quite frankly he should be getting JYD's minutes, I look at it like this, at least we have more minutes at forward for Lee and frye. JYD is grossly overpaid, he was given that much money to help keep Vince Carter in toronto, other than that JYD is expendable.
What makes Malik Rose a better player??? His going to be our next Kurt Thomas: he will start complaining for not being a starter and finally he will become our next undersized with no post game starting PF.
On the other hand, JYD will simply do what the coach wants him to do, and while he is not playing, he will do his best to help his team mates.

I have no problem with Rose being "the next Kurt Thomas" - I wouldn't mind having an 11 and 11 type player that can defend most big power forwards

exactly and what makes rose better is that, he has championship experience, is a stronger defender, better rebounder and just a smarter player, no way around it. If anything he knows how to win, I will take that any day on my team..

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8/15/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by tkf:

what makes rose better is that, he has championship experience, is a stronger defender, better rebounder and just a smarter player, no way around it.

aside from having championship experience, those are all reasons why you should waive Mo T rather than JYD as well.


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8/15/2005  10:46 AM
new levels of dumb, especially when you save the same $$$ by using it on Shandon's deal. I cant believe this would actually happen. As for Lee being = JYD not yet he isnt. Even if JYD mostly rides the pine he can still give you quality minutes in spot duty. He's also a great worker and is the kind of guy you want young players around.

There is no upside or advantage to waiving him what so ever.
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8/15/2005  10:50 AM
MO taylor can score in the post... That's why you keep him
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8/15/2005  10:51 AM
JYD has a better handle and is much more athletic and quick. They are a wash but neither is heads and above another. I actually think JYD's quickness and ability in the open court makes him a better fit.
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8/15/2005  10:51 AM
I'd much rather waive Mo Taylor, but then Zeke would have to admit he made a mistake.

Agreed, waiving JYD over Shan is really stupid. I don't JYD would have a problem sitting for the rookies to play and he's a good option if you need him.
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8/15/2005  10:58 AM
Posted by TMS:

JYD is the type of guy you want on your bench...he's always up...he energizes everyone...even if he's not playing, he's more valuable to this franchise than Mo T is...it's not even close...what do you need Mo T for when you have Sweetney anyway? both of them play no D & are low post players who can score & grab some rebounds...we need more defensive minded players...JYD fits the bill, & you know LB would love the guy.

TMS, you really are a hater. And I usually don't get into the whole hating thing but not to call you out for this would be just wrong. Now you want to give JYD love? I mean you been dogging this roster forever and now you want to stick up for JYD. It is so transparent.


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8/15/2005  11:09 AM
I agree, Shandon should definitely be waived, if not mo taylor. JYD and malik are both larry brown type players. I still think that Shandon's contract will be gone. what's the point in waving JYD under this clause? you don't even save as much money. youd be better off saving more waiving shandon and then just cutting JYD if they want him off the roster that bad. I'm pretty sure we could at least get an expiring contract for JYD if we traded him to a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if a team like phoenix or seattle had interest in him.
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8/15/2005  11:17 AM
Originally posted by Pharzeone quote:Originally posted by TMS:

JYD is the type of guy you want on your bench...he's always up...he energizes everyone...even if he's not playing, he's more valuable to this franchise than Mo T is...it's not even close...what do you need Mo T for when you have Sweetney anyway? both of them play no D & are low post players who can score & grab some rebounds...we need more defensive minded players...JYD fits the bill, & you know LB would love the guy.

TMS, you really are a hater. And I usually don't get into the whole hating thing but not to call you out for this would be just wrong. Now you want to give JYD love? I mean you been dogging this roster forever and now you want to stick up for JYD. It is so transparent.

How is giving love to JYD being a hater? He is being a hater cause he don't agree with what your messiah IT does? He arent allowed to have his own opinion?

Waiving a player that can actually play defense, over a guy that is already not on the etam, or over a guyt hat nobody even understands why he is here in Mo Taylor, or over a 6 6 center who will cry over minutes like he did in SA, doesnt make any sense.

But apparently if IT does it must be right or you a hater.
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