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nykbasketball
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8/9/2005  8:31 AM
if we get under the cap and match any offer or a little less will lebron come to ny. im sure his endorsements are pushing for him to go to NY. with a lot of expirirng contracts by the time he is a fa do we attempt to get under and sign him

your thoughts
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8/9/2005  8:34 AM
no no no no YES NO no NO
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8/9/2005  9:01 AM
Posted by nykbasketball:

if we get under the cap and match any offer or a little less will lebron come to ny. im sure his endorsements are pushing for him to go to NY. with a lot of expirirng contracts by the time he is a fa do we attempt to get under and sign him

your thoughts
First off, he will be a restricted free agent like anybody else. I know many people don't think so but yes the same rules apply to him. Cleveland has already said they will not S&T him and will match any offer that any team gives him. So I don't understand this fan approach about getting under the cap to sign restricted agents. The purpose is to get under the cap to sign unrestricted FAs who are older and more costly. That's why you draft well when you can. So you can resign your own FAs.
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8/9/2005  9:19 AM
I remember the chance we had at getting Kobe Bryant too
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8/9/2005  9:29 AM
YEs, there is a chance. He must take the risk of going the extra year beyond and not get hurt. They make big insurance policys for that by the way.

This must be a long range plan by Lebron, and the knicks must have the cap room to sign him. If the garden brass see this, its pretty transparent to the lebron camp.

After 4 or 5 years in Cleveland it might become a bit small for someone earning upwards to 25 mil a year. Cleveland is no chicago, and Lebron could be a bigger marketing force than jordan when all is said and done.

Lebron would command a big price in any sign and trade, and that just can gut a team. By refusing to re-up with the Cavs, the team runs a big risk of getting nothing. They won't get full value in any event. Yeah, life sucks Cleveland, deal with it!

Odds of all the above happening: Small. Odds of garden planning so far in advance and paying a short term price? Also small.

This is not Krause's chicago whom could not attract a big name to play with kids, nor atlanta or milwaukee! THis is NYC and we can bring in top name free agents, but we gotta make a commitment, and some players need to take risk's.

One word, "maybe".
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8/9/2005  9:40 AM
Listen, Ive said it before, and I believe it.

Lebron's not happy in Cleveland. Now, he's not going to leave on his current contract, because he's a mature boy, and he feels that he needs to give Cleveland a chance before moving on. But come the end of his contract, he will be looking to leave. He cant get what he wants in Cleveland, thats for sure.

Don't forget, where speaking about arguably the most talented basketball player on the planet here. By the time his contract expires, he will be 22, and have 4 years experiance in the NBA. LeBron James will go WHEREVER HE WANTS! Not wherever the Cavaliers want him to go.

Now the question is, obviously, where will he want to go? And there are many factors to that. Where can he win a championship ring? Where will he be most comfortable? And, yes, money does come into it a little.

As currently constructed, the Knicks probably wouldn't win a chamionship even with LeBron in tow. So, for a ring, no, he aint coming here. Comfortable? The best player on the team with the highest profile, in the biggest city in the US. Yes he would. Money? Well, we will give him whatever he wants. Keys to the city? Here you go 'Bron. Plus there's the rumours about clauses in endorsment contracts and all that. But in the end, it boils down to, will he win a ring with the Knicks?

By the time his contract expires, Marbury will be 30 years old, TT will be ancient history, as will JYD, MO-T, Malik etc. I think, that if by then, we have managed to aquire a real, righteous, hardcore frontcourt stud, the likes of Elton Brand, or a defensive monster like Sammy D or Big Ben, then yes, I think LeBron has every chance of ending up in NY. We will probably have to pay well over the odds for him, including any young players we have, 3-4 1st rounders, and maybe one of our better players. But if we can make the team look desirable to him, I believe he will come.

I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with cap space. If we have cap space by then it will mean that we will have gutted the team to get to that situation, and Lebron will have no interest in coming here at all.

I repeat, at the end of his contract, LeBron will go wherever he wants. We just have to make him want to come here.
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8/9/2005  9:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no no no no YES NO no NO

in the words of jim carrey..."so you're saying there's a shot..."
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8/9/2005  10:42 AM
If we continue to take on deals like we did with Q and James, then we wont even be under the cap. I don't think we have a shot at being under the cap by '07. And even if we were under the cap, what in Gods names would Cleveland want from us, as opposed to the other teams with young superstars, for LeBron. If they were to do a sign and trade, they would want guys like, ohhhh, Amare, Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor. NOT guys who will be 31, like Stephon Marbury, or tweening big men like Channing Frye. YOUNG SUPERSTARS. There's no other way to make up for a loss that big. There's not going to be another LeBron in the draft. No big time free agents will want to come to Cleveland w/ no LeBron. They'll need a huge name to come in.
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8/9/2005  10:43 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

no no no no YES NO no NO

in the words of jim carrey..."so you're saying there's a shot..."

Why don't you eat up and I'll tell ya.
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8/9/2005  10:51 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

If we continue to take on deals like we did with Q and James, then we wont even be under the cap. I don't think we have a shot at being under the cap by '07. And even if we were under the cap, what in Gods names would Cleveland want from us, as opposed to the other teams with young superstars, for LeBron. If they were to do a sign and trade, they would want guys like, ohhhh, Amare, Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor. NOT guys who will be 31, like Stephon Marbury, or tweening big men like Channing Frye. YOUNG SUPERSTARS. There's no other way to make up for a loss that big. There's not going to be another LeBron in the draft. No big time free agents will want to come to Cleveland w/ no LeBron. They'll need a huge name to come in.

Its about leverage and who has it. your assuming Cleveland will retain it. Your asuuming we have no cap room, and your asusming a Sign and trade. If Lebron can walk and Cleveland gets nothing, then he holds the cards, and he dictates value. Cleveland getting 50% of value is 50% more than if he walks free.

This team is not about Marbs in 3-4 years. He will be important, but not our focal point.
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8/9/2005  11:09 AM
What I'm saying is the CLEVELAND wont want Marbury in return and wont want anything we have in a sign and trade by the time he's a restricted free agent. And they will match any offer. If they are going to do a sign and trade, he's going elsewhere.
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8/9/2005  11:19 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

What I'm saying is the CLEVELAND wont want Marbury in return and wont want anything we have in a sign and trade by the time he's a restricted free agent. And they will match any offer. If they are going to do a sign and trade, he's going elsewhere.

First off, can't look at our current roster and the status of it with any kind of projection towards a few years down the road. So saying they don't want anything we have can't really be said.

Second, Lebron can reup for one year past his restricted year and then be free of anyone! HE can sign for the MLE if he wants to land where he wants! Thats not gonna happen, but he can sign for the lle for one year if he wants!

3rd, you tell Clev. I am not staying. I won't shop so theres nothing to match. Cleav must offer a one year or renounce. KNowing they stand to lose 100% of lebron, they will settle. LEbron holds those cards. If lebron says no to a sign and trade, he can play one year and be done with it.

It sucks for Clev, unlikely lebron risks it, but he will still be very young, still has more money already, can buy a massive insurance policy, and still have a very long career!

I read that Lebron checked our one of our summerleague games to see our kids play. "Wanted to see our roster"! No big deal, but it sends a message to Isiah to think about it. There is no tampering if lebron's agent in pasisng tells Isiah to keep his options open in a few years "wink wink"!
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8/9/2005  11:38 AM
There's no chance in H-E-double hockey sticks.

If he signs here I'll leave the board for good.
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nykbasketball
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8/9/2005  2:05 PM
i think we do

but its all up to lebron like Nalod said
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8/9/2005  2:10 PM
Prior to the Marbury trade, by the time Lebron's qualifying offer is due, NY would've had the capspace.
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8/9/2005  2:11 PM
what's the difference, Isiah thinks cap space is overrated anyway, so it doesn't look like he's rushing to slash salary anytime soon...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
nykbasketball
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8/9/2005  2:12 PM
i think anyone with half a brain would cut cap space if they have a shot at lebron unless they have a lineup of shaq kg tmac kobe and francis
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8/9/2005  2:13 PM
Posted by nykbasketball:

i think anyone with half a brain would cut cap space if they have a shot at lebron unless they have a lineup of shaq kg tmac kobe and francis

Then I guess Isiah & Co. have less than half a brain.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/9/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by nykbasketball:

i think anyone with half a brain would cut cap space if they have a shot at lebron unless they have a lineup of shaq kg tmac kobe and francis

Then I guess Isiah & Co. have less than half a brain.

I guess you think Jerry West had half a brain too, back in the early 90s.

It's a risk, but you have to take it. Just like not signing Herb or Nate or Bill L as coach. You wait for the best and hope and prey.
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8/9/2005  2:18 PM
^ LOl, dude, you realize I was bein sarcastic right.

The kid is obviously star-struck by the fantasy of signing Lebron in 07 and him leading us to glory...

Isiah knows what he's doing.......most of the time.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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