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The guy who can be had and I mean realistically had is Miles
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BRIGGS
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8/5/2005  2:10 PM
with TT in an ending contract and the unkown with trevor, Im surprised they dont look at this route. Hes got a reasonable long term salary that is comesurate with his age, production and potential production. Just a guy on that I believe has been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the skills certainly are there. You dont put up 47 points and 12 rebounds at 23 years old in a game because you stink.
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8/5/2005  2:17 PM
briggs, apparently isiah passed on him already, for the paltry price of frank and othella. so maybe he's not on our radar anymore. maybe isiah just doesn't like him.

i like him, but it doesn't matter what your or i think anyways.

isiah passed on him once already.
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8/5/2005  2:17 PM
Al Harrington's a better fit & just as attainable.
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8/5/2005  2:17 PM
Potential

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/5/2005  2:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs, apparently isiah passed on him already, for the paltry price of frank and othella. so maybe he's not on our radar anymore. maybe isiah just doesn't like him.

i like him, but it doesn't matter what your or i think anyways.

isiah passed on him once already.

yeah i know stocking up on the jerome james's the Vin Baker's Mo taylor's malik Rose's Penny Hardaway's the Q richardson's will bring us far.
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8/5/2005  2:19 PM
He definetly should have traded Williams and Harrington for him. I think Thomas or Crawford for Miles is pretty even, but i'm not sure if i would do them. I like Miles, but i think Crawford has more upside at this point for some reason, and i think we might be able to get more for Thomas.
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8/5/2005  2:23 PM
no.. he's got good skills. Great ball handler and he plays D. I think LB might be good for him, obviously TT has to go, so who do we take back?

His skills are a great fit. I think between LB, ISiah, Herb and the veteran players the mental stuff isnt a big issue.
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8/5/2005  2:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs, apparently isiah passed on him already, for the paltry price of frank and othella. so maybe he's not on our radar anymore. maybe isiah just doesn't like him.

i like him, but it doesn't matter what your or i think anyways.

isiah passed on him once already.

yeah i know stocking up on the jerome james's the Vin Baker's Mo taylor's malik Rose's Penny Hardaway's the Q richardson's will bring us far.

obviously we gave up too quick on vin. he was just about to turn the corner...and into the local bodega for a 40.

well, he didn't give them frank and othella which he then used in part to get crawford. i think dmiles can be EASILY had. i think we could even get him for jyd STRAIGHT UP - that's how bad portland wants him out. and it is a deal we should make. now, let me get isiah on the two-way and tell him...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/05/2005 14:26:16]
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8/7/2005  9:52 PM
I like Miles's game. He can play defense. Which is something this team does not really have. He also has a serious postup game and can handle the ball. Miles can also pass really well. He downside is he can't take the ball out far. He is a midrange shooter an that is it. I could see him as a Larry Brown type guy.
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8/7/2005  10:36 PM
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I always noticed how often Miles got multiple blocks/steals per game. I didn't think it actually translated into being one of the better defenders, but I would like a deal to be made. Biggest knock on him was consistancy and shooting, which he's improved since entering the league.

Just looked at his stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/darius_miles/index.html?nav=page
http://82games.com/04POR10A.HTM

Not a good FT/3pt shooter who will turn the ball over. Will benefit from a smart coach.
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8/7/2005  10:45 PM
Posted by Mac:

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I always noticed how often Miles got multiple blocks/steals per game. I didn't think it actually translated into being one of the better defenders, but I would like a deal to be made. Biggest knock on him was consistancy and shooting, which he's improved since entering the league.

Just looked at his stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/darius_miles/index.html?nav=page
http://82games.com/04POR10A.HTM

Not a good FT/3pt shooter who will turn the ball over. Will benefit from a smart coach.


I agree the kid can flat out play ball. That Blazer team is just all over the place. Mile needs to be on a team that he gets really minutes and stays consistant.
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8/8/2005  5:34 AM
I would hate to have Miles on this team, and I think trading for him would be the worst thing Isiah could ever do.

Do you guys not realize. DARIUS MILES IS A FRUITCAKE. People think Artest is a mental risk! This is a guy that sued his own team, because of something that happened in practice!! Do you not wonder why his old team were willing to trade him for Frank Williams and an egg fried rice!!?? The Blazers would rather have the unproven (Outlaw) and the old(Patterson) playing on their team then him, and this is the Blazers we're talking about. And you guys think we should get him?!?!?! I wouldnt want him within 1000 miles of my team!!

To say that Miles would be bad for guys like Nate, Lee and Frye would be the understatement of the year. Keep away from him!!!!!!
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8/8/2005  6:03 AM
Firefly,

What's wrong with suing his own team? You act like the Blazers are the model of a good franchise or something.

The same thing could be said for Rasheed Wallace.

Robert horry threw a towel in Danny Ainge face. So what, he is only the most clutch player in playoff history.

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8/8/2005  6:28 AM
BRIGGS, the Blazers don't need more SF, they already have 4! They just need a back up PF. Maybe Rose and Ariza for Miles could work, although if I'm a Blazer I would not do it.
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8/8/2005  6:33 AM
Just a few cutouts,

www.koin.com

PORTLAND -- The Trail Blazers have suspended forward Darius Miles for two games for conduct detrimental to the team and insubordination.
"I am disappointed that we've had this distraction to deal with today," Trail Blazers President Steve Patterson said in a written release. "We expect a certain behavior from everyone in our organization, and what happened yesterday is not acceptable behavior. The organization is suspending Darius for two games effective today."

The Blazers return to action Friday night against the Los Angeles Clippers at the Rose Garden.

Miles belittled coach Maurice Cheeks during practice Thursday. The Oregonian says Miles repeatedly called Cheeks a racial epithet.


What the Blazer fans think of him.

http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/print.ssf?/mtlogs/olive_blazerblog/archives/print060861.html

Sound like Gazy to me, but with a far worse attitude.



http://www.totk.com/article.asp?articleid=70987


Then you’ve got Darius Miles for another five years. Boy let me tell you, if there ever was such a thing as ultra-crazy, Miles is it. The incident that involved bombarding Mo Cheeks- a class guy in my book- with racial slurs (at least a half-dozen, if I recall correctly) is something you should keep in mind. Miles has found his way out of two teams in a heartbeat. He is the epitome of trouble, and he is now in your hands.



http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=28191

Blazer President Steve Patterson claims the document pertaining to Miles was merely a proposal drawn up by Wechsler — who apparently sees fit to return reporters’ calls only when he thinks it could work to his client’s advantage. Wechsler did not return Portland Tribune phone calls this week.
“He wrote up the proposal as a settlement to the grievance,” Patterson says. “That is his position.”
Were the Blazers considering agreeing to it?
“I’m not going to talk about something that is being represented as the whole relationship between the franchise and the player,” Patterson says. “The (Oregonian) article and its allegations are unfair, not true and miscast the relationship between the franchise and one of our employees. We’re going to hold everybody accountable for their actions.”
Miles says he was unaware that any deal was in the works, but he also says he didn’t know about the players’ union grievance, which was confirmed by a member of the league office.
“All I know is, I haven’t gotten my money back,” Miles says. “I have to pay for my mess. My agent handles those things, but he never told me nothing like that. Far as I know, we paid it, and that’s it.”
The suspension came after Miles and Cheeks argued during a video session attended by all the players and coaches. The Oregonian reported that Miles used the N-word “at least 20 times” during the confrontation, that Miles followed Cheeks into General Manager John Nash’s office and chided him with “That’s right, run to your daddy.”
Pretty despicable stuff, it would seem.
There were some mixed emotions by management over Miles’ culpability because of Cheeks’ relationship with his players. Most head coaches keep a separation between themselves and the players. Through his four years with the Blazers, Cheeks often has acted more like a teammate than a coach. He jokes and exchanges jive talk on the same level as his players more than most head coaches. Being friends has been important to him. Some players have taken advantage of that.
Cheeks told The Oregonian he was not offended by Miles’ racial slur: “From him to me, it’s OK.” He said he was deeply hurt, however, when Miles told the coach he didn’t like him. Cheeks also accepted partial blame for the incident, saying he had come on strong in criticism of Miles.
“He went over the line, but maybe I had a little part in it, because something in my voice was antagonistic, which made him go that way,” Cheeks said.


Oh, and one more,

Portland police are investigating a fight at a strip club that allegedly involved two Trail Blazers players.


Police said players Darius Miles and Qyntel Woods were in a brawl early Thursday morning with at least three other men at the Exotica International Club for Men. Witnesses said the fight eventually spilled into the parking lot.




Darius Miles talks to reporters at Friday's practice. (KGW Photo)

When police arrived at 2:25 a.m., they said no one was there and no arrests were made. But officers continue investigate.


"Apparently there was a fight, and we are still trying to gather the facts," Blazers president Steve Patterson said. "We don't have a comment until we can gather all the information we can."


And this is the guy you want around our rebuiding team and rookies??

At least Rasheed was sometimes constructive in his raging anger. Getting T'd up can inspire you and your teammates. But Miles only gets riled up off the court. On the court, it seems like he just dont care.

[Edited by - firefly on 08/08/2005 06:41:41]
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8/8/2005  7:46 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

with TT in an ending contract and the unkown with trevor, Im surprised they dont look at this route. Hes got a reasonable long term salary that is comesurate with his age, production and potential production. Just a guy on that I believe has been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the skills certainly are there. You dont put up 47 points and 12 rebounds at 23 years old in a game because you stink.

The statement of "Unknown with Trevor" is very revealing. Why the fear? Why not give both Lee and Trev the run AFTER this season? We are not going to be that great this year, but you shortchange the upside, and shortchange the greatness by compromising with a Miles type player. Give lee and Reezy the chance, and be patient!
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8/8/2005  7:59 AM
That's a great post, firefly. I suppose the brawl fights Miles has been in, the conduct deterimental to his team, the fighting with Mo Cheeks (one of the classiest guys in the game) are all okay because he bought a poor kid some shoes according to Briggs. I just don't get it.
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8/8/2005  9:53 AM
Miles is the most selfish player in the NBA imho...why would anyone think he could flourish under LB, OR that LB would even want to coach someone who doesn't want to be coached? if anyone here watched LB on Quite Frankly last week, he specifically stated that he can't stand those types of players.

keep Miles out of NY...for the love of God.
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8/8/2005  10:10 AM
and don't be so quick to trade TT- for all his downsize, he is best 3pt % shooter we have.

And Miles would be just like crawford- potential, but aggravating headache. No more 'potential' gamble deals please.
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8/8/2005  10:35 AM

I hate TT, but lets be real about a few things. He is a veteran player and he has been under Larry before. Given his new maturity and contract year status, I would give him a chance. I would not trust any improved play to resign him, but he might bring some value.

He might have some value after all.

Miles, Please no!

The shoe thing was stupid. GIve an underprivilaged kid 50 pairs of kicks is dumb! I thought the idea of economically challanged urban kids worshipping footware was not a desireable trait! Ok, now if he needs some kicks and gear so he can play, thats totally cool, but nobody needs 50 pair of sneakers at one time!
The guy who can be had and I mean realistically had is Miles

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