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rojasmas
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7/31/2005  11:14 PM
I don't think Crawford or Richardson is LB's idea of a shooting guard. Crawford has shot 39 or 40% the last two years and Q has shot under 40% the last three years. Look it up. You don't win with your shooting guard firing blanks like this. If LB was the coach before these two got here, there would have been some serious head-butting with Isiah over acquiring these streaky inconsistent offensive minded players. I give it half a season before one if not both are gone.
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bobs3304
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7/31/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

I don't think Crawford or Richardson is LB's idea of a shooting guard. Crawford has shot 39 or 40% the last two years and Q has shot under 40% the last three years. Look it up. You don't win with your shooting guard firing blanks like this. If LB was the coach before these two got here, there would have been some serious head-butting with Isiah over acquiring these streaky inconsistent offensive minded players. I give it half a season before one if not both are gone.


wow....yet another person that's coming around to the truth...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Knight
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7/31/2005  11:23 PM
We have one--but I suppose you want one who has healthy knees too!
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7/31/2005  11:25 PM
Posted by Knight:

We have one--but I suppose you want one who has healthy knees too!
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7/31/2005  11:28 PM
I think Q's FG will go up because he will start posting up more and taking higher percentage shots.

It's also possible taht Larry will get Craw to concentrate on defense, and if he uses his quickness to force steals, and gets the ball more on the break, his FG will rise as well.
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7/31/2005  11:30 PM
Craw and Q will be fine, Brown will make sure they take better shots, fewer threes, and get more easy buckets. There aren't that many really good shooters in the NBA who are starter quality.
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8/1/2005  11:45 AM
What we really need is a shooting guard who can defend.
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bobs3304
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8/1/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

What we really need is a shooting guard who can defend.


aren't you the one defending Crawford?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/1/2005  11:56 AM
Craw & Q taking less 3s isn't making them better shooters. It might increase their %, but the fact is, if they are left open, they are not the kind of threat you need to win.

There is no 'shooter' on this team, except the possibly-soon-to-be-waived allan houston.

Q Set a record in 3's made, not %.



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8/1/2005  12:03 PM
you know what i love about you guys. you love that "P" word.

POTENTIAL.

I mean, obviously we're rebuilding with a HOF coach at the helm and 100+ Million in payroll. Ha! Stupid Hornets. You're doing it the wrong way!!!


So I guess we should forget about teams like the '00 Knicks, who lacked talent and "Potential" but made up for it with heart and teamwork.

What are we - the friggin HAWKS!??
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/1/2005  12:07 PM
we need a shooting guard who can play defense more than we need a shooting guard who can shoot.

all the young blood's are stuck on ESPN highlight reels but it will forever be about playing defense.

not FOREVER like P diddy but always and FOREVER like the group Heatwave. but y'all wouldn't know nothing about that
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8/1/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:

What we really need is a shooting guard who can defend.


aren't you the one defending Crawford?

Yup. Check out your boy Larry Hughes' 2003-4 season. It's practically identical to Craw's 04-05 season. Actually, Craw was better. Players can improve.

Craw: Offensive PER at SG: 16.8, Defensive: 18.2, Net: -1.4
http://82games.com/04NYK4C.HTM

Hughes: Offensive PER at SG: 18.3, Defensive: 20.9, Net: -2.6
http://82games.com/03WAS5C.HTM

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bobs3304
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8/1/2005  12:12 PM
you already showed me that 82games crap.

so what you're saying is that you like Crawford and that he's a decent defensive SG, but at the same time, we need a better defensive SG.


Man....fickle Knick fans.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/01/2005 12:12:53]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/1/2005  12:14 PM
what was Iverson's shooting % for LB when he moved to SG?

Again... Crawford finished the season playing much better to the tune of 21/5.4 and 44% in his last 15 games. Thats a fair enough stretch to say he's got more than "P" for potential. To me thats a guy that needs to unlearn bad habits and renforce good ones because he's shown he can do it.
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bobs3304
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8/1/2005  12:14 PM
you know what guys you're right.


we should load up on potential - Darius, Kwame, Curry, Crawford...


and THAT WAY, we can give Larry a heart-attack and save him a good 3 years of mediocre basketball in NY.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/1/2005  12:17 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

you already showed me that 82games crap.

so what you're saying is that you like Crawford and that he's a decent defensive SG, but at the same time, we need a better defensive SG.


Man....fickle Knick fans.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/01/2005 12:12:53]
if you like to throw stats around (like you did the other day with Hughes and his steals) 82 games gives you the most indepth stats and they are acutally used by teams and GMs in the league.

He's probably saying what everyone else is around here. Crawford is 25 and has shown he can play at a very high level for stretches. We have also seen other players with similar builds and games improve defensively. So why not now that we have the best coach in the NBA be patient and see if this player blossums before we dump him for a retread with bad knees > 30 like Eric Snow
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8/1/2005  12:19 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

you know what guys you're right.

we should load up on potential - Darius, Kwame, Curry, Crawford...

and THAT WAY, we can give Larry a heart-attack and save him a good 3 years of mediocre basketball in NY.

then there is the flip side:
guys... we must trade Crawford because bobs says he's not a LB guy and despite some great stretches as zero chance to ever sustain that and become more consistant. If bobs says it... must be true. Kinda like Marc Berman
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bobs3304
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8/1/2005  12:20 PM
I'll ****in tell you why. One word:


K-W-A-M-E.


"P" players always show flashes of brilliance, and then resort back to their old ways. It's a trend. Tim Thomas is yet another example, and I love how Knick fans on this board actually have the audacity to think TT will be anything other than his usual self. Come to think of it, didn't he ALSO "improve" late in the season?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/1/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

you already showed me that 82games crap.

so what you're saying is that you like Crawford and that he's a decent defensive SG, but at the same time, we need a better defensive SG.


Man....fickle Knick fans.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/01/2005 12:12:53]

No, what I'm saying is that Hughes went from being a WRETCHED defender to a decent one and that there's hope for Crawford too. I agree that defense is partly skill, but mostly effort. Crawford clearly has the skills. I believe Brown will show him the effort side of things.

Anyone who thinks Q is better than Craw is nuts though. Q is a nice piece, but Craw has a much higher ceiling. I'm not buying the media hype (mainly from Chad Ford) that Larry won't like Craw.
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8/1/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'll ****in tell you why. One word:


K-W-A-M-E.


"P" players always show flashes of brilliance, and then resort back to their old ways. It's a trend. Tim Thomas is yet another example, and I love how Knick fans on this board actually have the audacity to think TT will be anything other than his usual self. Come to think of it, didn't he ALSO "improve" late in the season?

When his Kwame averaged 17ppg in back to back seasons? Craw has shown more than potential, he's shown star potential, it just needs to be refined. The gap between what Craw has shown and what Kwame has shown is Grand Canyon-sized.
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