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jamal crawford IS NOT getting traded
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djsunyc
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7/30/2005  9:23 PM
isiah was trying to get him at the deadline in 04/05 even before marbury.

he spent 2 months trying to get him over the summer and in the process gave him a deal WAY more than anyone else was offering.

crawford F'N took his jersey #.

and if you don't agree, pick on of the following for a response:

1. re-read my post
2. i'm right and you're wrong

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bobs3304
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7/30/2005  9:27 PM
Larry Brown doesn't care about Isiah's pet peeves.


You can bank on THAT.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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7/30/2005  9:27 PM
You tell 'em, dj!!

If Craw steps up to the challenge of vastly improving his D and shot selection, then I'll agree with you. Jury's still out, though.

The season can't start soon enough.
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7/30/2005  9:40 PM
Larry brown works with anybody. Whenever he has had a hand in trading someone he regretted it later.

I think he's actually going to turn Crawford into a great player and revive TT's career and at the same time, save marbury's legacy.
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7/30/2005  9:45 PM
I sure hope you're right about reviving TT's career. He loved him originally in Philly and then hated him. Let's remember he traded for TT over KVH on draft day. He saw something in him. But LB soured on him and Hughes real quick after fawning over them at first.
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s3231
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7/30/2005  10:17 PM
Why are people so convinced that Larry can change Marbury but can't do the same with Jamal? I know Crawford is the opposite of what Larry likes right now, but he is coachable. I definitely think Larry can help make him a better player.

The title of this thread is correct, Jamal isn't going anywhere.

[Edited by - s3231 on 07/30/2005 22:20:37]
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Rich
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7/30/2005  10:27 PM
I think it's prettty clear that he either will be traded or he won't.
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7/30/2005  10:29 PM
Posted by Rich:

I think it's prettty clear that he either will be traded or he won't.


That is so Biased! Hater!
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7/30/2005  10:51 PM
Posted by Rich:

I think it's prettty clear that he either will be traded or he won't.
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7/30/2005  11:43 PM
Everybody keeps saying Craw is coachable and from what I've read he does seem to have a good attitude. But on the other hand I just don't think he knows how to play the game and for all his "coachability" - I don't think he's improving very quickly.
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7/31/2005  8:17 AM
I can't possibly see the knicks having Marbury, Q, Nate and Crawford who happen to have a 50 mill dollar contract till 2011..

Making 50mm and coming off the bench isn't a smart investment.. Sooner or later he'll want to either start or log more minutes..

Brown makes the decisions on who he wants to play in his great system and if Crawford don't turn out well, yes he'll get traded.. That's goes for all the knicks players but Crawford is a 25 yr old combo guard which would attract teams.
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NYKniCksFan87
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7/31/2005  11:08 AM
in todays newsday it says brown might give crawford the starting position and richardson off the bench because he feels crawford can be a better defender than q...interesting
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7/31/2005  11:13 AM
Why not just offer Q to a team like Denver who needs a starting 2 and 3 pt shooting? Q for Nene and filler or Q and Sweetney to Atl for Al and Childress?

Thinking back on 2's who played under Brown from Willie Anderson to Reggie to Rip, Q's game just doesn't seem to fit. I like Q and all but whether you're talking about Q in LA or Phoenix he never had a mid-range game. In LA his game was lay-ups and dunks off the dribble-drive and 3's. In PHO it was the 3's and a little bit of dribble drive. He does have nice court vision and will take the charge but he seems more fit for an open court style of play.
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NYKniCksFan87
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7/31/2005  11:34 AM
Q can play a half court set as well..he can shoot and has a post up game...
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7/31/2005  11:48 AM
Posted by OldFan:

Everybody keeps saying Craw is coachable and from what I've read he does seem to have a good attitude. But on the other hand I just don't think he knows how to play the game and for all his "coachability" - I don't think he's improving very quickly.
look no further than last year... he started the year chucking only, and had a great finish where he took better shots, looked to distribute more and create off the dribble. I think the last month of the year (15 games) he averaged 22 points and 5 assists and shot around 44%. If thats no noticable improvement what is? The question is can a great coach take a player thats shown extended flashes like Crawford has and develop the habits that will get him doing those things on a consistant basis. I cant say yes for sure, but I think its very possible, and if anyone can Brown can
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7/31/2005  12:22 PM
Larry problably will start Crawford at SG so that Steph can play SG at times. I hope it works out and Larry turns Crawford into a disciplined player who plays defense and knows when to shoot and better his FG%
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7/31/2005  12:26 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Larry problably will start Crawford at SG so that Steph can play SG at times. I hope it works out and Larry turns Crawford into a disciplined player who plays defense and knows when to shoot and better his FG%

I hope so. I would REALLY like to see Jamal play up to his talent level becuase obviously if he does that and does it under control like he did at the end of last year then that makes the Knicks that much of a better basketball team.
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7/31/2005  12:41 PM
I would hope so too, but again, my beef with some of you is that you fail to realize Crawford's strengths as a player, and that's his ability handle the ball and distribute. He needs to have more freedom in order to do what he does best, and Larry will never give him the green light.

Also, it's really getting ridiculous how some of you are saying, "Larry Brown's here. He's gonna magically change Crawford into a 50 % FG shooter, 0 turnover, defensive machine. ???? THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DOES. Larry comes in, takes over, preaches, teaches, and kicks ass. And whoever's left standing will be better for it. He makes YOU improve YOURSELF, not the other way around. He's not doing the fixing, the players are. They don't have a choice. They adjust their game or they don't play.

And my last point - Some of you argue that Crawford showed streches toward the end of the year where he played more under control and shot better. Don't all "Potential" players show flashes of playing up to their abilitiy? Kwame, Darius, Gooden,..... the list goes on and on. Again, am I questioning Crawford's talent level? Nope. Am I questioning his ability as a player to grow and adapt.....yup.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  1:00 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I would hope so too, but again, my beef with some of you is that you fail to realize Crawford's strengths as a player, and that's his ability handle the ball and distribute. He needs to have more freedom in order to do what he does best, and Larry will never give him the green light.

Also, it's really getting ridiculous how some of you are saying, "Larry Brown's here. He's gonna magically change Crawford into a 50 % FG shooter, 0 turnover, defensive machine. ???? THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DOES. Larry comes in, takes over, preaches, teaches, and kicks ass. And whoever's left standing will be better for it. He makes YOU improve YOURSELF, not the other way around. He's not doing the fixing, the players are. They don't have a choice. They adjust their game or they don't play.

And my last point - Some of you argue that Crawford showed streches toward the end of the year where he played more under control and shot better. Don't all "Potential" players show flashes of playing up to their abilitiy? Kwame, Darius, Gooden,..... the list goes on and on. Again, am I questioning Crawford's talent level? Nope. Am I questioning his ability as a player to grow and adapt.....yup.

it's fine to question but not to assume it's been answered.

let's find out and until we do he's a potentially great asset and it wouldn't be wise to prematurely jettison him for a lesser talent.
bobs3304
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7/31/2005  1:09 PM
I guess everyone's big on giving every player another chance.


Hmm, I guess 5 years in the league means nothing.


But, ok. I'm willing to give him like a month. Anything longer than that, if he's not "magically" changed like some of you think will happen, HE'S OUT.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
jamal crawford IS NOT getting traded

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