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TMS
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7/30/2005  5:58 PM
i've said this many times before, but i think a Crawford for Al Harrington trade is our best bet...it would balance out our roster nicely...maybe add in Sweetney in exchange for a future protected 1st round pick from ATL to make it more appetizing for ATL...they need some more bulk in their frontcourt anyway, & we have a glut of PF's as it is.

Harrington is a favorite of Isiah, & he would be more suitable to play under LB's system than Crawford is imho...since Marbury looks to be here to stay, i think Crawford has to be traded...i don't want to see the Knicks get outmatched in SG position, & there's NO WAY that i want to see Marbury playing the 2...he's our best ball distributor...PG the position he should be playing...i think Q is a better fit in the SG spot since he can take advantage of mismatches by posting up smaller players.

then maybe sign a savvy veteran backup SG like a Jon Barry, who can play defense, make clutch shots, & play a team-first style of basketball...i think he'd be a perfect addition to LB's system...maybe he can be had for the LLE?

C - James / Frye
PF - Harrington / Rose / JYD
SF - TT / Ariza / Lee
SG - Q / LLE free agent (Jon Barry?)
PG - Marbury / Nate
IR - Butler

thoughts?

(oops, forgot Frye...thanks Nalod)

[Edited by - TMS on 07/30/2005 18:07:16]
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7/30/2005  6:02 PM
I don't think Harrington is a true PF.

He has an ending contract. Ok if we are dumping crawford.

You forgot about Frye?

Jackie is not rostered this year until we reduce our PFs. And he is certainly no center.

I think sweets as a throw in undervalues him. I think with KT gone, sweets gonna have many an opportunity to shine.

he may not our starter in 3 years, but Sweets is a nice player.
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7/30/2005  6:09 PM
oops, you're right, i forgot Frye...my bad.

Sweetney's not a throw in on that deal...the Knicks would be getting back a 1st round pick, likely to at least be in the mid teens considering the team ATL has...if nothing else, once the protection wears off, the Knicks would get an unprotected pick in a couple years, which could end up to be a very good pick.
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7/30/2005  6:15 PM
with two first round picks next year, I think thats plenty. I assuem until further notice that we keep everybody althought thats a stretch.

I can buy your theory that rid of Sweets if we are seriously moving up in the draft with two or perhaps 3 of the picks! But who is the no. pick next year? Or second?

Such a player and a free agent is our future!

Whats Isiah secret plan??
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7/30/2005  6:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:

with two first round picks next year, I think thats plenty. I assuem until further notice that we keep everybody althought thats a stretch.

I can buy your theory that rid of Sweets if we are seriously moving up in the draft with two or perhaps 3 of the picks! But who is the no. pick next year? Or second?

Such a player and a free agent is our future!

Whats Isiah secret plan??

The first pick in next years draft is without a doubt going to be Rudy Gay. He had an excelellent freshman year at Uconn and look for him to take his game to new levels this year with a year already under his belt. At 6'9 he makes huge matchup problems for opposing SFs across the NBA.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/30/2005 18:21:32]
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7/30/2005  6:21 PM
what happens in marbury gets hurt? we play Nate at the PG? Crawford give us nice depth at both guard positions. I'd like to see what LB can do with Crawford before shipping him out for a player with lesser talent.
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7/30/2005  6:21 PM
you can do all # of things w/3 1st round picks next year...those are the types of assets you need to make a trade for a true impact type player...Sweetney's a pretty good player, but he's not the type of impact player this team needs...Harrington would be a great stopgap until TT's contract wears off, then he can step into the SF role if he's resigned...or Isiah can use his expiring contract along w/the expiring contracts of TT & Penny along w/the 3 1st round picks to really make a blockbuster type trade at the trading deadline.

it's all about balancing out our roster & keeping Isiah's options open to make some bigger roster moves down the road...staying status quo is OK, but i think this trade improves the team's flexibility
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7/30/2005  6:22 PM
Talent wise that's a very fair deal. And I would def. pull the trigger on it, but only in anticipation of moving TT. Harrington would better be served playing the 3. He's an average defender, which is more than I can say for Timmy, Crawford, and Taylor.

Btw, there's no way I'd throw in Sweetney, even for multiple draft picks. Sweetney is one guy that could REALLY benefit from Brown b/c he plays hard and is encouragable.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by jaydh:

what happens in marbury gets hurt? we play Nate at the PG? Crawford give us nice depth at both guard positions. I'd like to see what LB can do with Crawford before shipping him out for a player with lesser talent.

Marbury's the most durable PG in the NBA...to make roster moves based on the risk that he might get hurt is silly...Nate Rob would be a more than adequate fill in for Marbury if he should go down for a few games.
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7/30/2005  6:25 PM
Posted by TMS:

you can do all # of things w/3 1st round picks next year...those are the types of assets you need to make a trade for a true impact type player...Sweetney's a pretty good player, but he's not the type of impact player this team needs...Harrington would be a great stopgap until TT's contract wears off, then he can step into the SF role if he's resigned...or Isiah can use his expiring contract along w/the expiring contracts of TT & Penny along w/the 3 1st round picks to really make a blockbuster type trade at the trading deadline.

it's all about balancing out our roster & keeping Isiah's options open to make some bigger roster moves down the road...staying status quo is OK, but i think this trade improves the team's flexibility

i dont see how that really balanced out the team when we would have only 1 SG, unless you see ariza getting minutes at the 2.
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7/30/2005  6:27 PM
Posted by jaydh:

what happens in marbury gets hurt? we play Nate at the PG? Crawford give us nice depth at both guard positions. I'd like to see what LB can do with Crawford before shipping him out for a player with lesser talent.

First off, I believe he said sign a cheap veteran backup for the LLE. Second, for the last time, Crawford is gonna suffer under Larry, plain and simple. How many people have to tell you that before you believe it? He suffered under Skiles, just like Marbury did, but Steph is the heart of the team and won't be moved. Crawford is a scoring PG, that's what he does best. Larry will find that out soon enough, and realize that, unlike Billups (who is also a scoring PG), Crawford is not only immature (basketball-wise), but has no defensive ability. Look past your nose. Just b/c Crawford has a "nasty" crossover, doesn't mean he makes any more of an impact than Mark Madsen.

Craw is a scorer, and right now, this team is suffering from a complete lack of defense and team play. Trading Crawford would be the best thing to do, for the Knicks and for him as well, b/c he would better flourish with more freedom to do what he does best, and that's run the point. Him paired with Childress (who's defensively solid) would be good for him...and the Hawks.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  6:28 PM
Posted by jaydh:

i dont see how that really balanced out the team when we would have only 1 SG, unless you see ariza getting minutes at the 2.

that's where signing a veteran backup like Jon Barry makes sense...he can play both G positions well, & he fits the mold of the type of player LB likes.
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7/30/2005  6:29 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by jaydh:

what happens in marbury gets hurt? we play Nate at the PG? Crawford give us nice depth at both guard positions. I'd like to see what LB can do with Crawford before shipping him out for a player with lesser talent.

First off, I believe he said sign a cheap veteran backup for the LLE. Second, for the last time, Crawford is gonna suffer under Larry, plain and simple. How many people have to tell you that before you believe it? He suffered under Skiles, just like Marbury did, but Steph is the heart of the team and won't be moved. Crawford is a scoring PG, that's what he does best. Larry will find that out soon enough, and realize that, unlike Billups (who is also a scoring PG), Crawford is not only immature (basketball-wise), but has no defensive ability. Look past your nose. Just b/c Crawford has a "nasty" crossover, doesn't mean he makes any more of an impact than Mark Madsen.

Craw is a scorer, and right now, this team is suffering from a complete lack of defense and team play. Trading Crawford would be the best thing to do, for the Knicks and for him as well, b/c he would better flourish with more freedom to do what he does best, and that's run the point. Him paired with Childress (who's defensively solid) would be good for him...and the Hawks.

and you keep preaching that since Skiles couldnt teach him, Larry cant.
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7/30/2005  6:32 PM
Just to clear the air, I want to you guys to understand that I don't hate Crawford. It's just that his style of play and what he does BEST won't fit in with the type of team Larry will try to mold, and that's no-nonsense, defensively-capable, and efficient. Crawford provides nothing of the sort for us. And don't use that "P" word with me. If 5 seasons in the NBA doesn't provide enough proof, nothing will.

Marbury is in the same boat more or less, but again, he's the heart and soul of the team. He's shown against the better guards in the league that he can D up pretty well. Crawford has not.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  6:33 PM
Posted by jaydh:


and you keep preaching that since Skiles couldnt teach him, Larry cant.


No...I keep preaching that b/c Crawford couldn't learn under Skiles, it will be just as hard for him under Brown. This has to do with Crawford as a student of the game, not Skiles or Brown as teachers...


[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 18:34:25]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  6:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Just to clear the air, I want to you guys to understand that I don't hate Crawford. It's just that his style of play and what he does BEST won't fit in with the type of team Larry will try to mold, and that's no-nonsense, defensively-capable, and efficient. Crawford provides nothing of the sort for us. And don't use that "P" word with me. If 5 seasons in the NBA doesn't provide enough proof, nothing will.

Marbury is in the same boat more or less, but again, he's the heart and soul of the team. He's shown against the better guards in the league that he can D up pretty well. Crawford has not.

i absolutely agree...i actually LIKE Crawford, but like you i think having him AND Marbury on the same team is not something that will suit the style of game that LB will be preaching.
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7/30/2005  7:08 PM
Denver still needs a SG, so I think we should consider tradin Craw to them with Nene coming our way. The contracts can work prolly because they have Leanord in his last year so we can just take him back and cut him loose.

Nene is one guy who could really flourish under Brown with substential playin time. We would still need to dump at least two PF's of the roster, preferably Rose and Taylor, but a front court rotation of James, Nene, Frye, and Sweetne is pretty damn good.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/30/2005  7:16 PM
Posted by simrud:

Denver still needs a SG, so I think we should consider tradin Craw to them with Nene coming our way. The contracts can work prolly because they have Leanord in his last year so we can just take him back and cut him loose.

Nene is one guy who could really flourish under Brown with substential playin time. We would still need to dump at least two PF's of the roster, preferably Rose and Taylor, but a front court rotation of James, Nene, Frye, and Sweetne is pretty damn good.

Denver has no need for a PG....do you get what I'm saying?

I'm not the only person that realizes Crawford is best running the point. Kiki DEF. realizes that. And Crawford isn't even enough for Nene in the first place, assuming Denver had interest in Jamal.
They also drafted Julius Hodge, who is Crawford minus some offense but plus some defense.

Teams I could see Crawford being dealt to:

LA
ATL
CLE
UTA
POR

^ (all teams in need of a PG)



DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  7:17 PM
Posted by simrud:

Denver still needs a SG, so I think we should consider tradin Craw to them with Nene coming our way. The contracts can work prolly because they have Leanord in his last year so we can just take him back and cut him loose.

Nene is one guy who could really flourish under Brown with substential playin time. We would still need to dump at least two PF's of the roster, preferably Rose and Taylor, but a front court rotation of James, Nene, Frye, and Sweetne is pretty damn good.

That's a really good idea Sim. I think I've seen a few other people mention it as well. Do you think George Karl would want to coach Crawford? I could see that being a sticking point to any deal but it's definately a good idea because Nene is one big boy and one would work excellent as our Starting Center. Bring Nene back!
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7/30/2005  7:20 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by simrud:

Denver still needs a SG, so I think we should consider tradin Craw to them with Nene coming our way. The contracts can work prolly because they have Leanord in his last year so we can just take him back and cut him loose.

Nene is one guy who could really flourish under Brown with substential playin time. We would still need to dump at least two PF's of the roster, preferably Rose and Taylor, but a front court rotation of James, Nene, Frye, and Sweetne is pretty damn good.

Denver has no need for a PG....do you get what I'm saying?

I'm not the only person that realizes Crawford is best running the point. Kiki DEF. realizes that. And Crawford isn't even enough for Nene in the first place, assuming Denver had interest in Jamal.
They also drafted Julius Hodge, who is Crawford minus some offense but plus some defense.

Teams I could see Crawford being dealt to:

LA
ATL
CLE
UTA
POR

^ (all teams in need of a PG)

I know Utah needs a PG but I think you can cross them off the list, I don't think Jerry Sloan would EVER want someone like Jamal on his team. Sloan is the epitomy of a no-nonsense guy and him having Jamal would be impossible for him.
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