NVE
Darius Miles
Utah 2006 #1 +3mm in cash
to NY
Penny Hardaway to Por

the trade is within 25%

the Knicks subsuquently opt out of NVE's contract

saving them approximately 19mm$ this year + add in the 3mm in cash for a total savings of 22mm$ in 2005-2006


the Blazers buyout and amnesty Penny, saving them approximatley 28mm$ in long term cash and free up an additional 7.5mm in cap space next year to sign Pryzbilla

Posted by BRIGGS:

NVE
Darius Miles
Utah 2006 #1 +3mm in cash
to NY
Penny Hardaway to Por

the trade is within 25%

the Knicks subsuquently opt out of NVE's contract

saving them approximately 19mm$ this year + add in the 3mm in cash for a total savings of 22mm$ in 2005-2006


the Blazers buyout and amnesty Penny, saving them approximatley 28mm$ in long term cash and free up an additional 7.5mm in cap space next year to sign Pryzbilla

Why wouldn't the Blazers just opt of NVE's contract

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by BRIGGS:

NVE
Darius Miles
Utah 2006 #1 +3mm in cash
to NY
Penny Hardaway to Por

the trade is within 25%

the Knicks subsuquently opt out of NVE's contract

saving them approximately 19mm$ this year + add in the 3mm in cash for a total savings of 22mm$ in 2005-2006


the Blazers buyout and amnesty Penny, saving them approximatley 28mm$ in long term cash and free up an additional 7.5mm in cap space next year to sign Pryzbilla

Why wouldn't the Blazers just opt of NVE's contract

that is what I was gonna say but it doesnt even work so its irrelevant. NVE isn't playing anyway so they definitely will.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Failed Scenario

Trade ID
2512553.

no it doesnt fail, its not using the new cba terms

why would the blazers just opt out of nve contract? because in this scenario, they save 28MILLION $ over the life of the contract and GAIN 7.5 MILLION in cap savings for next year to sign Joel P.

this hedges the knicks against having no quality SF--if TT is not resigned, if trevor ariza does not rise in play, the Knicks have a 6-9 215 23 YO proven athletic defensive minded player with all star type potnetial.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS I still think you think Portland GM is an idiot. I know they have Miles overpaid and they wouldn't care to lose him. But they can have a lot more than this for him. You can't have the best player in a deal and picks in return for just an expiring contract.

not to disagree with that assessment, but the Cavs dealt Miles for some African Center and an unmentionable PG that signed with a certain team across the river... that's not a whole lot if you ask me.

and supposedly was almost a Knick for Harrington and Frank Williams. I agree that Miles would be a usefull fit. We get an extra pick which is important moving forward and get rid of TT. Miles is a good defender and also a good ball handler and passer. Remember Cle showcased him at PG for awhile before they moved him.

With LB here I'm looking to build the roster with 3 things:
scoring combo guards: Craw/Nate/Marbury
2 athletic defensive wing players: Ariza and Miles would be a great combo
size and shotblocking: JAmes/Frye

I mentioned trading for Foyal and Pietrus in a similar deal. Yea, Foyal is bad but its another BIG shotblocking body and a great win defender in Pietrus.

Thats your style of play... you clog the lane with shot blockers, you have 2 athletic wing players that can really defend and you use your combo guards to score and create.

Too me there is absolutely no way that Darius is a Larry Brown player. He screams Tim Thomas at me when I think about him; someone who came into the league with a repuation that he never earned and is still not earning it. I'd rather let the Blazers deal with Darius's attitude and underachieving ways, the Knicks already have one Tim Thomas (maybe 2 with Jerome James) we don't need anymore.

Crawford is not a Larry Brown type player, plain and simple.

The only reason he got so much PT last year is b/c Houston was out indefinitely. Isiah would rather have Craw come off the bench for half a game and play the point. Watch Nate come in and earn/steal those minutes from him.

Crawford is undoubtedly talented offensively, but he's better suited playing around 30 MPG at PG for a team that actually needs point help. Cleveland, Utah, LA, etc.

bobs, look at this statline again.

His last month of the season: 22 points 4.5 assists 3.5 rebs and 42.5% FGs

how many 25 year olds are putting up those kind of #'s?

seriously. that's IMPRESSIVE stats for a player that hasn't even scratched the surface yet.

this kid is good and has ALOT of skills. you can't give up on him now. he's a LATE bloomer (2 years in HS, 1 year in college) followed by 5-6 different coaches in the pros.




[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/29/2005 15:52:32]

i'm all for keeping him if that's what we're getting with him, but i'm not sure you understand what I'm saying:


CRAWFORD IS NOT A SG!!!!

He's a PG in a SG's body. The team will be so backward even with Crawford playing the 1 b/c Marbury will be playing the 2, and that would officially be the worst defensive backcourt in the league.

That won't see the light of day in Larry Brown's system...

Posted by bobs3304:

btw, Billup is turning 29 in Sept. and Rip is 27. So I'm not sure where you get the whole "25" thing with them from.

Crawford is like your D. Miles or D. Goodens IMO. Give him all the time in the world and they'll gradually show improvement. But Crawford is only good for 25 MPG next year, and not at point (unless Brown dares to peg Craw and Marbury in together in the backcourt )

You know, for every 25 y/o that improves, there are 5 more that don't. How are you convinced that Crawford will become so much better? I'm not saying he won't, I'm simply arguing that he's not and never really will be a Larry Brown type player...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/29/2005 15:40:49]

exactly.. and at 25 Billups and Hamilton had much the same knocks as Crawford. Billups was what? 3 teams in 2 years before Det? Too erratic, couldnt run an offense, only a scorer. Rip was too skinny to play 2 and too one dimensional to be anything more than a good bench player at 25. Both found coaches and systems that worked for them and they thrived. Same thing with Larry Hughes who had similar shows of great play like Jamal, but also had similar knocks.

There's 3 players that improved at 25.. now name me 15 that were that good and didnt.

Miles is a headache and not a Larry Brown player, but Sheed did ok. Marbury and Crawford are chuckers but Iverson won an MVP under Larry and the two had a great working relationship. Derrick Colman was one of Larry's favorite players, as was Reggie Miller who wasnt exactly mr. defense passing or rebounding.

This whole "Larry Brown" type player is media fodder. The only guy who knows who on our roster is a Larry Brown type player is LB himself, and he probably wont even know that until Thanksgiving.

LB gave up on Larry Hughes, but LOVED Derrick Coleman.

You just dont know