I keep hearing how certain Knick players are so overpaid and when you look around the league I just cant seem to agree with that. At least not to the degree that it is repeated by some.

Jamal Crawford makes about 8 million per year (mpy)

Bobby Simmons makes about 9.4 mpy

Larry Hughes makes about 12 mpy

Rashard Lewis makes 8.5 next year and probably much more as a free agent.

Richard Hamilton about 9.8 mpy


My point is, players on Crawfords level will get lots of money in free agency and you can see that now with guys like Joe Johnson getting max money, Bobby Simmons making close to 10 and Larry Hughes at a whopping 12!!!

Crawford is not overpaid, like Isiah said, as the seasons progress his contract will begin to look more and more like a bargain.

Is Marbury overpaid?
He would have gotten a max contract this year, last year, or any other year playing how he plays, so I would say no. There are players who are better than him who make less, but they are underpaid. Steph was destined for max money regardless of where or when he signed so I wouldn't say he was overpaid. Joe Johnson, Tim Thomas, Larry Hughes, and others are different stories. Those guys got their contracts based on potential, or a particular FA market in an off-season.

Is Jerome James overpaid?
Yeah, by a million or so per, we're talking about maybe knocking 5-8 million off of his contract, but when you look at what big men make, I would say he is more or less on par. And if he produces modestly, he's cheap.

Jamal was an expensive lottery pick basically. I don't think any of the four other guys are overpaid in basketball terms because they're all very good players. Jamal has yet to earn his salary; we'll have to see.

sometimes you look at the contract length as the key. Its not the $5mm Jerome makes, its the 5 years we promised him. Same with Crawford... its not the $6.5mm he made last year, its the $55mm and the fact that nobody else was even bidding.

I have no problem with overpaying some guys. Crawford, Q and Marbury might be over their market value but not by much and we need them.

Right now our bad contracts are
Rose 3 more years $7.5pmm per
Mo T 2 more years $9mm per
Houston 2 more years $19.5mm per
Shandon 2 more years $8mm per
Penny 1 more year $17mm per
Tim Thomas 1 more year $16mm per

Some of those deals are finally going away, lets keep them away.

Crawful was paid for his potential. He has yet to show it.

larry is gonna be in his grill bigtime.

I hope Craw can handle it!

Posted by Nalod:

Crawful was paid for his potential.

Yeah, that's what I meant by an "expensive lottery pick." I think DJ was the first to use that term. If he can reach his potential, then we'll be talking about how underpaid he is.

Posted by simrud:

With the exception of maybe Simmons, all those guys you compared Craw to are better.

Simmons is prolly better, too, but I need to see more then one impact season from him before I can say that.

yeah and the all make more than him, much more in some cases, so how is he see overpaid?

Posted by fishmike:

sometimes you look at the contract length as the key. Its not the $5mm Jerome makes, its the 5 years we promised him. Same with Crawford... its not the $6.5mm he made last year, its the $55mm and the fact that nobody else was even bidding.

I have no problem with overpaying some guys. Crawford, Q and Marbury might be over their market value but not by much and we need them.

Right now our bad contracts are
Rose 3 more years $7.5pmm per
Mo T 2 more years $9mm per
Houston 2 more years $19.5mm per
Shandon 2 more years $8mm per
Penny 1 more year $17mm per
Tim Thomas 1 more year $16mm per

Some of those deals are finally going away, lets keep them away.

Houston is the worst because there is no realization on that rate of return. Follow by Shandon because we already cut him. Penny's and Tim's comes off this season, which in today's NBA is a plus. It's like carrying NOL carryforward. Rose and Taylor contracts are the worst but come next year Taylor's will be an asset. I curious to find out what Isiah plans to do with Penny's contract. He is the forgotten Knick now.

Phar, I made that list thinking in length, not cost. No doubt Houston is the worst contract on the team right now.

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[Edited by - killa4luv on 07/28/2005 15:15:27]

judging from how awful H20 looked last year he wasn't ready to play and problably will never be for anything over 15mins a game

Posted by fishmike:

sometimes you look at the contract length as the key. Its not the $5mm Jerome makes, its the 5 years we promised him.

Fish ,this is my take on the length of james contract- 5th year is an expiring contract , which can be a positive so now we're down to 4 yrs. You would have been happy with 3 so really the difference is 1 yr. Considering the lack of height on this team and he really was the last semi- decent big guy available I don't think it was too bad. Also JJ is a young 29yrs(never played bb in high school and not alot of mins in nba) and knowing guys with height and bulk are always valuable later as backups(see elden campbell) , I'm ok with it.