Yankees - famous for trading young prospects for established veterans.

Knicks - famous for trading draft picks and cap space for established veterans.


So where do we draw the line?


Well, I was listening to the SAS show on ESPN Radio earlier, and they were arguing about a possible Kris Benson - Alfonso Soriano deal. Alot of Yankee fans were calling in, giving their $.02 about it, and from what I heard from them, it really struck me as sad. The Yankees, who I bitterly hate, have officially burnt out. In baseball, it's all about having the money to go out and spend on established talent, but the Yanks have done that and STILL failed. Now those established veterans are slowly deteriorating, and the team is in a mess. Their pitching sucks, and therefore they have to rely on their bats....only to gain 10 runs and give up 15 (so to speak).

So what does that have to do with the Knicks? Well, I finally feel like we're drawing the line. The Knicks under Layden (and sometimes under Isiah ), have been known to copycat the Yanks' formula of "success", only to have it thrown right back in their face. Well, I've been, by far, one of the first people to come out and say - trade Sweetney, trade Ariza if push comes to shove. Give up the draft picks. Get that established veteran PF.

I think I'm wrong. I think, atleast for this season, we really have to draw the line and stand pat. I gotta belive Sweetney is gonna show up to training camp in great shape, with improved quickness, and ready to go. And I belive Larry Brown can be difference b/w mediocre and the potential to do big things. But only time will tell. Until then, let's ride this team and see where they take us. It's up to them to prove themselves...

you got a new keyboard?

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by NYK3:

you got a new keyboard?

nope. i'm at work...

note to bobs: steal keyboard from office.

ha. i wish. it's the boss's woman's keyboard. i get to use her office b/c i do what i want.

luckily for you guys, i'll be going back to my laptop in a day or two...


you're welcome in advance.

The biggest difference here is that the Yankees have been successful with this strategy. Yes they had a core from the farm system but by and large, even in the championship years their pitching staff (other than Pettite and Mo) and several key cogs were acquired in trades and/or brought in as FA. (Tino, Brosius, Knoblach, Cone, Wells/Clemens, Duque, Nelson, Stanton, etc) Even Soriano wasn't a true product of the farm system, he was basically a minor league FA who the yankees got because of the contracts. Now, as that core has aged, they've been clearing out the farm system to keep up the winning on the major league level. Too many good seasons and FA signings = poor draft picks. Combine that with trading your best prospects as soon as they're moveable, and you get the situation we have now with a stacked but aging MLB roster and largely barren farm system. Yanks have had some success picking the prospects they didn't want to move - guys like Soriano (who was almost traded for Sosa in 2000, but they got Dave Justice instead at the last minute), and recently Cano and Wang, while a lot of the prospects tehy traded who were supposed to be studs were never heard from again (Ruben Rivera anyone? Ricky Ledee?) Recently, though, some of these prospects have succeeded and the trades have been failures (ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver the most glaring example)

Back on topic, the parrallel dosen't work largely becuase of economic systems in the different sports. The Knicks would be a lot more sucessful if they operated in a world without a salary cap, or could like the Yankees take on millions of dollars contracts for prospects or picks without having to send matching contracts back.

bobs you've become a much more interesting poster since your rgm days.

Posted by pizza:

bobs you've become a much more interesting poster since your rgm days.

thanks for the compliment homes.


realgm, to be frank, can eat my ass. i wrote a polite, well thought out, and LONG letter to them a few weeks ago asking to be reinstated simply so that I could read their threads. I even explained that I could care less if I wasn't allowed to contribute. Never got a response...

Posted by Knight:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by pizza:

bobs you've become a much more interesting poster since your rgm days.

thanks for the compliment homes.


realgm, to be frank, can eat my ass. i wrote a polite, well thought out, and LONG letter to them a few weeks ago asking to be reinstated simply so that I could read their threads. I even explained that I could care less if I wasn't allowed to contribute. Never got a response...

How can you not read their threads?

Hah! Did they block your IP?

When a site blocks your IP, you've really po'd them!

try using an IP spoofer... GRC.com used to have one. You might be able to find one on download.com or just search google... that is if you care enough too.

Why did you get banned? I got banned from MSG, went back for awhile, then realized it sucked so bad there I stopped posting. This forum doesnt have the bells and whistles but the fans and BB knowledge are the best out there IMHO

bobs why did you get banned?

Ive only known of one guy to get banned here (although I havent heard from Roblackman) and that was playa.

Then after like a year Martin polled us if he should be allowed to return. We said yes, playa was a bigger ass than before and promptly got himself yanked again.