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djsunyc
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7/26/2005  1:39 PM
Agent says Brown deal close

NEW YORK -- With the last "obstacle" no longer an issue, Larry Brown and the New York Knicks moved closer Tuesday to finalizing a deal that would make the much-traveled 64-year-old the franchise's 22nd head coach.

"On a scale of 1 to 10, it's an eight," said Brown's agent, Joe Glass.

Brown, reached by telephone, would not disclose whether he has told the Knicks he definitely wants the job.

Team president Isiah Thomas, also reached on the phone Tuesday morning, said he was in a meeting with team owner James Dolan and Madison Square Garden president Steve Mills and could not immediately comment on whether Brown had given the team a firm "Yes."

"We're making progress, and we're continuing to talk at this point," Knicks spokesman Joe Favorito said.

Brown had dinner Monday night with Thomas and interim coach Herb Williams, a meeting that Brown described as "positive." Brown had been uneasy about the prospect of displacing Williams as coach.

"That was a huge obstacle for me, not for him," Brown said. "It's not at all anymore."

Pressed to say whether he had given the Knicks a definitive answer, Brown wouldn't give a direct reply.

"I wouldn't have met with the owner and with Herb if I didn't think this would move forward," Brown said. "I just can't go any further than that."

Brown's wife, Shelly, said she expected the process to move to a more definitive stage by the end of the day.

"Knicks management is meeting, and we're waiting to hear from them. We're all on board," said Shelley Brown, who has given her blessing to Brown taking on what he once called his "dream job."

Brown's wife had been concerned about her husband's health. He missed 17 games last season due to a hip replacement operation that led to a bladder problem, and Brown underwent his third surgery in nine months shortly after the Pistons lost Game 7 of the NBA Finals to the San Antonio Spurs.

Doctors at the Mayo Clinic told Brown he needed rest, and he and his wife have decided he'll get enough of it during the next two months before training camp begins.

Brown's two young children also are enthused about the move to New York, and Brown has already toured the team's practice facility.

"No one wants this to drag on," Shelly Brown said. "I know everyone's on the same page."



The Knicks would be Brown's eighth NBA coaching job, and his hiring would come just a week after he parted ways with the Detroit Pistons after two seasons -- both of which ended with trips to the NBA Finals.

Trying to turn the rebuilding Knicks into a winner would be the latest challenge for Brown in a nomadic NBA coaching career that has included stints with the Philadelphia 76ers, Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Clippers, San Antonio Spurs, New Jersey Nets and Denver Nuggets. Brown also coached collegiately at Kansas and UCLA, and his first professional coaching job was with the Carolina Cougars of the ABA.

Brown was the coach of the 2004 U.S. Olympic team that finished a disappointing third. Part of that roster included Knicks guard Stephon Marbury, who would be reunited with Brown.

New York reportedly is willing to offer Brown a five-year contract worth between $50 million and $60 million, and the task of negotiating the details will fall to the 80-year old Glass, Brown's longtime agent.

"If I get involved, it'll be a go," Glass said Monday.

Reminded of that comment Tuesday, Glass said: "I'm involved, but I've been involved on some way, shape or form for quite some time now."

Still unclear is what role Williams would have with the Knicks under Brown, and which of New York's current assistant coaches might remain with the club. There also is a question of whether any of Brown's assistants who also lost their jobs in Detroit, including Gar Heard and Dave Hanners, might be added to Dolan's considerable payroll.

Williams' head coaching contract expires Sunday, but his assistant coaching contract has another year left. His dinner with Brown came one day after Dolan and Thomas spent more than two hours visiting Brown at his home in East Hampton, N.Y.

"Situations are always going to work out," Williams told WNBC-TV while playing in a golf tournament Monday in suburban New York. "You know, a job is a job. You have to approach it that way, you know, that's what you get paid to do, so you step in and you do the job. You don't think about anything else."

Williams has been a fixture in the Knicks organization for most of the past decade and is regarded as one of the franchise's most trusted and loyal employees. He had a good rapport with the players while coaching the final 43 games of last season after Lenny Wilkens was forced to resign.

Coming to a team that finished 33-49 last season and missed the playoffs for the third time in four years, Brown would be coaching a roster that Thomas has overhauled during his 19 months as team president.

Brown took over the 76ers in 1997 after they went 22-60 the year before. He coaxed another nine victories out of them in his first season in Philadelphia, got them into the playoffs the following season and made it to the NBA Finals by his fourth year.

In Detroit, Brown won the NBA championship in his first year coaching the Pistons, guiding them to 54 regular-season victories after they had won 50 the prior season under Rick Carlisle.

When Brown took over the Indiana Pacers in 1993, they improved by six victories.

When he took control of the Los Angeles Clippers midway through the 1991-92 season, they were below .500. But he guided them to a 23-12 record over the rest of the season to give the franchise its first playoff berth in 15 years.

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7/26/2005  1:47 PM
great to hear everyone on da same page...i hope nothin messes dis deal up...
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/26/2005  1:59 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

great to hear everyone on da same page...i hope nothin messes dis deal up...
yea its really good to hear, the only thing holding him back was his wife and family and they're all on board and his wife seems happy so this will definitely be done by thursday the latest

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7/26/2005  2:06 PM
yenta

Main Entry: yen·ta
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Etymology: Yiddish yente, from the name Yente
: one that meddles; also : BLABBERMOUTH, GOSSIP
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7/26/2005  2:09 PM
More Brown threads about the same. Is this a record?
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7/26/2005  2:13 PM
once again, major props to Isiah for having the patience to wait this out. tough thing to do in this fricking media market. I think LB is a good move for this club, as far as developing the youth, developing the defensive attitude and taking Steph to the next level.
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7/26/2005  2:24 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

once again, major props to Isiah for having the patience to wait this out. tough thing to do in this fricking media market. I think LB is a good move for this club, as far as developing the youth, developing the defensive attitude and taking Steph to the next level.

no wait it out in this case.

my turn to be a yenta...

i think him, dumars, LB and laimbeer had this thing kind of planned out. joe knew LB was on his way out so isiah started his courtship a long time ago. they also hooked up laimbeer in pumping up his stock by interviewing for a head coach job. then HE withdrew as to not be "passed over". then it all fell into place.

this was STRATEGICALLY planned by all parties involved. isiah's contigency was herb. he probably told herb that he would be the coach if he just waits this out and we don't get LB or he'd be the first assistant and be groomed after LB - hence the dinner last night and why herb has been a great soldier so far. there's no place else he could've gone to put him in the #1 assistant spot.
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7/26/2005  2:28 PM
Herb will not be the #1 assistant coach....You watch....he will be an assistant

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this was STRATEGICALLY planned by all parties involved. isiah's contigency was herb. he probably told herb that he would be the coach if he just waits this out and we don't get LB or he'd be the first assistant and be groomed after LB - hence the dinner last night and why herb has been a great soldier so far. there's no place else he could've gone to put him in the #1 assistant spot.
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7/26/2005  2:31 PM
so we're going to pass on Gar Heard who has had proven success and who Larry loves and I'm sure provides him with great in game imput for Herb Williams who hasn't accomplished any winning as head coach or Assistant coach? I'd be a little worried. I hope Larry sees some good in Herb that warrants replacing Heard. Herb has been a part of the coaching staff that has constantly miss managed the roster, minutes and decisions down the stretch, clock management, play calling etc. I'd be a lot more comfortable with Heard. Put Herb back in the role he had under Lenny and Helm or let him find a top assistant job elsewhere and prove himself.
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7/26/2005  6:17 PM
I think Brown has to bring his own assistant. Our coaching stuff has showed NOTHING warranting any of them keepin ther jobs.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/26/2005  6:23 PM
Posted by simrud:

I think Brown has to bring his own assistant. Our coaching stuff has showed NOTHING warranting any of them keepin ther jobs.

I respectfully disagree Sim. neither of them has the personality to be an knicks coach. they are too nice and get walked over by overpaid players but they are great developement coaches. Something we haven't had for a long time. when was the last time we developed a player before Isiah put this staff together? I want Larry to bring in Heard and maybe another guy he really likes as his main guys. It won't hurt to have these guys continue working with the young guys
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7/26/2005  6:25 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by simrud:

I think Brown has to bring his own assistant. Our coaching stuff has showed NOTHING warranting any of them keepin ther jobs.

I respectfully disagree Sim. neither of them has the personality to be an knicks coach. they are too nice and get walked over by overpaid players but they are great developement coaches. Something we haven't had for a long time. when was the last time we developed a player before Isiah put this staff together? I want Larry to bring in Heard and maybe another guy he really likes as his main guys. It won't hurt to have these guys continue working with the young guys

if we keep any of them, i hope we at least keep augire
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7/26/2005  6:27 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by simrud:

I think Brown has to bring his own assistant. Our coaching stuff has showed NOTHING warranting any of them keepin ther jobs.

I respectfully disagree Sim. neither of them has the personality to be an knicks coach. they are too nice and get walked over by overpaid players but they are great developement coaches. Something we haven't had for a long time. when was the last time we developed a player before Isiah put this staff together? I want Larry to bring in Heard and maybe another guy he really likes as his main guys. It won't hurt to have these guys continue working with the young guys

if we keep any of them, i hope we at least keep augire

and glymth who's highly regarded and Suhr is a great scout/talent evaluator. Don't know much about Malone. They speak highly of him but he's the only guy other than Herb I wouldn't mind losing
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7/26/2005  6:45 PM
This is hilarious. Larry Brown is one of the best coaches in NBA history and Knicks fans are already questioning him. Larry will choose who he wants as his #1 assistant because he's not going to come here just for Isiah and James Dolan to run everything and make Larry look stupid with a few losing seasons as Larry gets older and closer to retirement. I still can't believe Knick fans are already questioning Larry Brown. Unbelievable.
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7/26/2005  6:58 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is hilarious. Larry Brown is one of the best coaches in NBA history and Knicks fans are already questioning him. Larry will choose who he wants as his #1 assistant because he's not going to come here just for Isiah and James Dolan to run everything and make Larry look stupid with a few losing seasons as Larry gets older and closer to retirement. I still can't believe Knick fans are already questioning Larry Brown. Unbelievable.

I don't think anyone is questioning Larry. Me personally I just want him to hire the #1 assistant coach he is most confortable with because contrary to what some may think assistant coaches have a lot to do with ingame situations. There job isn't just developing players. A headcoach needs someone next to him reminding him about foul trouble, clock management & recognizing imput. All I'm saying is I rather LArry hire Gar Heard who has been his guy, the guy he has won with. I have no problem with Herb going back to the role he had under Wilkins & Helm as primarily a developement coach and a coach that the players like. His ingame decisions are terrible and he doesn't have the personality to be a headcoach in NY because the overpaid players will walk over him. And Herb was part of all those years of inexplicable coaching decisions down the stretch under Chaney and Lenny. The final play comes down to the headcoaches call but he needs an assistant who he trusts to make him aware of every scenario.

What was that play last year where the head coach, either Lenny or Herb, totally mismanaged the clock costing us a chance at win the game. I can't remember it now but I remember a ton of people here wondering why with all the coaches on the bench none reminded Lenny(I think regarding how much time was left or timeouts, fouls to give...something along those lines)
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7/26/2005  7:03 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is hilarious. Larry Brown is one of the best coaches in NBA history and Knicks fans are already questioning him.

Well geez whadaya expect...we're New Yawkers and we know everything. Haven't you heard already....Jeff Van Gundy is better that Larry Brown. Check the statistics that are readily available on the web. (Obviously being sarcastic as hell and agreeing 100% with you NYK4Ever)
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7/26/2005  7:04 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is hilarious. Larry Brown is one of the best coaches in NBA history and Knicks fans are already questioning him.

Well geez whadaya expect...we're New Yawkers and we know everything. Haven't you heard already....Jeff Van Gundy is better that Larry Brown. Check the statistics that are readily available on the web. (Obviously being sarcastic as hell and agreeing 100% with you NYK4Ever)

who is questioning him? I must've missed it. as far as I know everyone is onboard. The only one to question him has been Briggs
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by simrud:

I think Brown has to bring his own assistant. Our coaching stuff has showed NOTHING warranting any of them keepin ther jobs.

I respectfully disagree Sim. neither of them has the personality to be an knicks coach. they are too nice and get walked over by overpaid players but they are great developement coaches. Something we haven't had for a long time. when was the last time we developed a player before Isiah put this staff together? I want Larry to bring in Heard and maybe another guy he really likes as his main guys. It won't hurt to have these guys continue working with the young guys
Who is great development coach, Herb. Check his track record. Best example Mike Sweetney under the toolage of Herb Williams vs. Aguirre. If anyone remembers the SL games from back in 2003 and compare it with Sweetney's 2004 SL game where Aguire served as his assistant. Sweetney post game showed dramatic improvement. Malone works with the guards. Everyone forgets that Herb got the job of interim coach by default twice. When Isiah fired Chaney, Brendan Malone was released or quit (these days it gets murky around MSG), Isiah fired a couple more assistants who were loyal to Chaney and Layden. And there was Herb left. Ok. Lenny is brought in but so were Suhr and Aguirre. Musical chairs concerning who sits next to Lenny was between Suhr and Aguirre. Once Lenny resigned...cough...cough... to avoid controversy between Suhr and Aguirre, IT names Herb interim coach by default. Suhr had no desired to stay on the bench, he loves to scout young players. There was little doubt in mind if LB didn't come to the Knicks that Aguire would be coaching the KNicks by the end of the season whether or not Herb came back as head coach. btw, for all of JVG talk about getting Herb, he didn't. He grabbed the guys with potential. Interesting.
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7/26/2005  7:20 PM
I'm just sayin that Brown should be free to choose his own assistants, no if, buts, or maybes. He knows what he is doing, just let him do it. Makin him take on Herb just to be nice to Herb, to to Aguiree or whoever, is just not smart.

The fatzo is moving to fontoffice anyways, so no reason to talk about Suhr. Aguirre can just be what he is anyways, a trainer. He trains bigmen. Thats not a coaching assistant. He is almost like a free throw specialist. Except he concentrates on post moves.

As for Malone, I don't even know anything about him.

My thing is Brown should be 100% free to choose his guys.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/26/2005  7:24 PM
Posted by simrud:

I'm just sayin that Brown should be free to choose his own assistants, no if, buts, or maybes. He knows what he is doing, just let him do it. Makin him take on Herb just to be nice to Herb, to to Aguiree or whoever, is just not smart.

The fatzo is moving to fontoffice anyways, so no reason to talk about Suhr. Aguirre can just be what he is anyways, a trainer. He trains bigmen. Thats not a coaching assistant. He is almost like a free throw specialist. Except he concentrates on post moves.

As for Malone, I don't even know anything about him.

My thing is Brown should be 100% free to choose his guys.

i agree. i'm all for making brown happy and comfortable, since thats what will keep him around longer. as far as augire, what you said is the exact reason why i hope he is retained, just to develop post moves for our "big" men.
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