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bobs3304
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It's become increASINLY OBVIOUS, atleAST TO ME, THat we're lACKING a true impACT BIG Man. we hAVE PLENTY OF PF'S, and A CENTER IN JEROME James thAT Can ATLEast block some shots, but whAT WE'RE MISSING IS THat one GUY thAT Can reALLY Man the pAINT FOR US. An impACT pf. gUYS LIKE SHEED, BRand, k-mART, ETC. sWEETNEY'S a nice rebounder AND POST SCORER, BUT HE'S UNathletic AND STILL UNPROVEN, PLUS HE Lacks defensive ABILITY. FRYE IS ONLY a rookie AND WE'VE alreADY SEEN THat he's more of A PERIMETER BIG Man, Rather thAN ONE THat cAN Bang in the Paint with the best of them. But both of them ARE STILL YOUNG, and could end up SURPRISing US... So my question to ALL OF YOU IS - becAUSE WE are missing THat lAST PIECE TO THE PUZZLE, WHEN WILL ISIah use TIMMY and/or penny TO Land it???? (AND YES, I'M Having keyboARD PROBLEMS)
NEVER -- Isiah Will Stick With What We Have
THIS SUMMER -- Someone Will Become Available, And Zeke Will Jump On It
SHORTLY AFTER THE SEASON STARTS -- He'll Wait It Out For A Few Months
JUST BEFORE THE DEADLINE -- He'll Wait Until TT's Value is Higher
NEXT SUMMER -- Zeke'll Wait Until We Have More Expiring Contracts to Use
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nyk4ever
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7/23/2005  11:01 PM
I voted for just before the trade deadline. I personally think thats when either a struggling team or a player that has fallen out of favor with his team will become available and bam the Knicks are there with 25 million dollars in expiring contracts to give to them.
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7/23/2005  11:13 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say Penny this summer and TT during the season. Penny's value is not gonna go up and he offers the team nothing. They'll trade him over the offseason to a team looking to save money. TT may play well and increase his trade value during the year.
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7/23/2005  11:14 PM
Anyone who voted "never" just hasn't been paying attention
bobs3304
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7/23/2005  11:19 PM
bONN-


yOU REAlly think IsiAH will USE BOTH EXPIRING CONTRacts?


unless he's getting bACK SOME EXPIRING CONTRact(s) Back for one of them, thAT'S Alot of extrA SalARY WE'D BE Taking on...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/23/2005  11:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

bONN-


yOU REAlly think IsiAH will USE BOTH EXPIRING CONTRacts?


unless he's getting bACK SOME EXPIRING CONTRact(s) Back for one of them, thAT'S Alot of extrA SalARY WE'D BE Taking on...

Not necessarily dollar by dollar, especially with the new CBA. And we could take a small expiring contract, a bad contract (that always happens ) and a pick or two. Expiring contract are good to have but not necessarily have to be used. If a team that expects to be in the playoffs stumbles down and wants to rebuild, trading their best players for the exp. contracts would make sense. But Isiah could easily just let them expire, though thats not likely with him...
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7/23/2005  11:59 PM
I said closer to the trade deadline. It's all going to depend on who becomes available. I might not complain if we just let it expire though. After all, we have to do something about the cap situation eventually, right?
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7/24/2005  12:06 AM
Viva La Isiah...What will he do next? "Whatever the f*** I want."
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7/24/2005  12:30 AM
I see the trade happpening around the deadline...
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/24/2005  12:35 AM
qUESTION:

wHY WOULD THE cLIPPS BRING IN GOODEN, KNOWING THat he would only get around 15 MPG with brAND STILL THERE?

Maybe, just mAYBE, THE DEal is reALLY JUST Jaric strAIGHT UP FOR GOODEN. in thAT Case, brAND MIGHT BE avAILable sometime down the roAD.

IS THat wishful thinking, though? yes. gooden's mAKING 4 MILLION NEXT YEar. with jARIC MOST LIKELY SIGNED TO an mle contrACT, THat's 1 million more thAN GOODEN. add in wilcox's sALary, AND THat AMOUNTS FOR THE 3 MILLION THat the cAVS Had in cAP SPace.

there's the possibility of course, like i sAID BEFORE, THat clevelAND IS MERELY TRYING TO Save money AND WOULD Rather not tAKE ON WILCOX. Maybe the clippers AREN'T WILLING TO GIVE UP WILCOX. YOU NEVER KNOW.

I GUESS WHEN THE DEal is finALIZED WE'LL KNOW BRand's fATE. IF WILCOX IS INCLUDED, THEN BRand is most likely stAYING and gooden will tAKE OVER as the secondaRY PF. IF WILCOX STays....then there's A DECENT CHance brAND MIGHT BE SHOPPED Later on and gooden could tAKE OVER as the stARTING PF...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/24/2005 00:36:59]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  12:43 AM
At the trading deadline or not at all.

They don't seem to have the value that Isiah once claimed.
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7/24/2005  1:12 AM
Posted by Rich:

At the trading deadline or not at all.

They don't seem to have the value that Isiah once claimed.


Is this an attempt at Clairvoyance?

Teams aren't even able to do any trades until Thursday...
How could anyone other than an actual GM actually know something like that. If the Pistons can get Rashweed we should at least get a servicable player out of most deals. I think we'll need to wait at least a couple of weeks after the trading period begins...before we could even form an opinion about the value of expiring contracts under the new CBA.


[Edited by - nyvector16 on 07/24/2005 01:19:11]
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7/24/2005  1:18 AM
no, rICH IS probABLY RIGHT. YOU Can tell certAIN THINGS JUST BY LOOKING at who's AVAilABLE ON WHat teAMS and whAT WE Have to offer.

right now, no teAM IS GONNA trADE a legit big mAN UNLESS a trADE IS FORCED. WHY? B/C THERE'S NO POINT IN KEEPING TIMMY OR PENNY ON THE BOOKS FOR an entire seASON WHEN THEY COULD Easily keep thAT "STar" PLayer until closer to the deADLINE.

PERSONally, the soonest we could mAKE USE OF TT OR pENNY WOULD BE atleAST around a month after the seASON STarts. why? b/c, FOR EXample, the clippers, who hAVE BRand, would wANT TO Gage where they're AT BEFORE THEY Make such A DRastic move.

reALISTICally, timmy's stock will rise weeks before the deADLINE, and teAMS will hAVE TO Make lAST-MINUTE DECISIONS ON WHO TO KEEP and who to deAL. and thAT all depends on their chANCES OF Making the plAYOFFS...


[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/24/2005 01:20:01]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  1:28 AM
Posted by nyvector16:
Posted by Rich:

At the trading deadline or not at all.

They don't seem to have the value that Isiah once claimed.


Is this an attempt at Clairvoyance?

Teams aren't even able to do any trades until Thursday...
How could anyone other than an actual GM actually know something like that. If the Pistons can get Rashweed we should at least get a servicable player out of most deals. I think we'll need to wait at least a couple of weeks after the trading period begins...before we could even form an opinion about the value of expiring contracts under the new CBA.


[Edited by - nyvector16 on 07/24/2005 01:19:11]

The Pistons got Rasheed because Ainge wanted to screw the Knicks.

But yeah, I'm just guessing like everyone else.
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7/24/2005  3:32 AM
Anyone who voted "never" just hasn't been paying attention

Let me make the case that Isiah will let the contracts expire.

In his contract year, TT may actually play well, especially as the season draws to a close. If he starts playing well before the trade deadline, he may be retained to help the Knicks actually make the playoffs. So he may actually stay the whole year.

Penny i'm less sure about. I think he will either be cut, or possibly traded... but what do we get back? What did the Sixers get back for Glenn Robinson.. anything? Not even worth dealing IMO. Just let his salary expire.

Next summer, if TT has played well enough, prehaps Isiah can execute a asign-and--trade if some team actually want to offer TT more than the mid-level exception. Maybe the Lakers would take him.


[Edited by - kam77 on 07/24/2005 03:34:53]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/24/2005  8:13 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

bONN-


yOU REAlly think IsiAH will USE BOTH EXPIRING CONTRacts?


unless he's getting bACK SOME EXPIRING CONTRact(s) Back for one of them, thAT'S Alot of extrA SalARY WE'D BE Taking on...
How many expiring contracts has Isiah let expire rather than trade (or extend after failing to trade in Kurt's case)? Answer: Zero. It couldn't be more obvious how Isiah plans to use expiring contracts. Regarding the salary, it's obvious Isiah cares about how much money Dolan has to spend about as little as I care about it.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/24/2005 08:18:30]
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7/24/2005  8:33 AM
I don't think he is going to use them...there really isn't anybody to use them on that can help us immediately.

I think he will let them expire off the cap and ... Wait, I changed my mind...I think Sheed is a knick by the trading deadline.

TT will resign with the knicks (ala Walker) next year for $6 to $8 mill per.
Posted by Bonn1997:

Anyone who voted "never" just hasn't been paying attention
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7/24/2005  11:01 AM
cheeses this thread starter read like a ransom note.

[Edited by - PhilinLA on 07/24/2005 11:07:32]
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/24/2005  11:02 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't think he is going to use them...there really isn't anybody to use them on that can help us immediately.

I think he will let them expire off the cap and ... Wait, I changed my mind...I think Sheed is a knick by the trading deadline.

TT will resign with the knicks (ala Walker) next year for $6 to $8 mill per.


WhAT'S FUNNY IS THAt you think tim thomAS IS GONNa miraCULOUSLY CHange. he ALREady hAD LArry brown. AND LOOK WHat good thAT DID FOR HIM. HE'S FUgAZY, LET HIM GO. JEEZ.

BUT WHat's funnier is thAT YOU THINK WE'D RESIGN HIM FOR MORE THan the mle!!??? you're funny dude.

aND WhAT'S JUST Sad is thAT YOU STate "sheed will be A KNICK" NEXT YEar. lAY OFF THE SPECIAl k HOMIE. DETROIT ISN'T DOING a single dAMN THing to thAT ROSTER. BELIEVE THat...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't think he is going to use them...there really isn't anybody to use them on that can help us immediately.

I think he will let them expire off the cap and ... Wait, I changed my mind...I think Sheed is a knick by the trading deadline.

TT will resign with the knicks (ala Walker) next year for $6 to $8 mill per.
Posted by Bonn1997:

Anyone who voted "never" just hasn't been paying attention

I would want neither of you to come even close to being the GM of the Knicks, no offense.
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7/24/2005  12:45 PM
I think Isiah is keeping his options open. Like he proved with Larry, he is willing to be patient and use his assets wisely. Had we done something different, signing Brown would've cost us picks. Now, we can sign him just with money. The same thing goes with the expiring contracts. I doub't he finds any takers for these players this offseason. Once the deadline approaches, he will see which players are avaliable because, as we know, there always seem to be many good players avaliable. The deal would have to be either for a young player and picks or for a player that can make us contenders. If nothing great is avaliable, I can see Isiah staying put, and let those players either expire or resign them and trade them. Because he has stated that we are rebuilding, I don't necessarily see Isiah using the contracts...
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