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bobs3304
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7/21/2005  6:29 PM
Why did the Suns trade Q Rich --> Answer: B/c they needed the frontcourt presence that Kurt provides. B/c they could afford to. And last but not least, b/c he disappeared against San Antonio.

So why would they trade Marion --> Answer: B/c they need cap space. B/c he disappeared against San Antonio. And most importantly, b/c Joe Johnson did not. Quite simply, trading Marion allows them to sign JJ.

See a pattern yet? The Suns are learning from their WCF experience...if you wanna call it that (I'd call it their WCF breakdown). As far as that series is concerned, the weakest links were Marion and Q Rich. 1 down, 1 to go. Don't get me wrong, Marion is a great player, in fact he's easily top 10 talent, but the Suns are quickly realizing that Nash is in his 30's and might only have 3 or so good years left in him. If they let Johnson go, do they feel absolutely confident with the lineup WITHOUT him? I don't think so. Apparently, the entire orginization is really nervous right now b/c they know there's a possibility that JJ could end up in Atlanta.

POINT: If (and when) Pheonix re-ups Joe Johnson, then we have a solid chance at landing Marion later on in the season (before the trading deadline). We have the pieces to reel him in; I'm confident of that. Can anyone say "Easter Conference Champions - NEW YORK KNICKS"...
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7/21/2005  6:31 PM
Marion is overrated dude. He's good, but he's got some holes in his game and isn't a 4th quarter guy. I wouldn't give up much for him.
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7/21/2005  6:37 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

1 down, 1 to go. Don't get me wrong, Marion is a great player, in fact he's easily top 10 talent, but the Suns are quickly realizing that Nash is in his 30's and might only have 3 or so good years left in him.

POINT: If (and when) Pheonix re-ups Joe Johnson, then we have a solid chance at landing Marion later on in the season (before the trading deadline). We have the pieces to reel him in; I'm confident of that. Can anyone say "Easter Conference Champions - NEW YORK KNICKS"...

I think you may have said the right things but there are 2 things that contradict each other with your idea of Marion going to the Knicks.

Nash is 30 and if you trade Marion you need to get guaranteed pieces in return for him. The Knicks don't have it, although they do have expiring contract, and that is a HUGE risk for PHO. Can they attract a better 3 than Marion in the offseason. Almost too much of a risk.
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7/21/2005  6:43 PM
Marion had a tough time against the Spurs--- everyone does. They have 3 All-NBA type defenders in Duncan/Bowen/Ginobili at the forward/wing spots, so they're not an easy team to play against. His natural defender had a 5+ inch height advantage.

Anyway... if you think that Q-Rich is a good rebounder, Marion is absolutely out of this world--- he's listed as only 1 inch taller than Quentin... yet averaged 11+rpg last season! Q-Rich averaged a paltry 6.

I'd be willing to trade Ariza/TT/Lee, easily... to get him. But I doubt he's truly on the block. He's just as important a cog in the Phoenix machine as Nash/Stoudamire. With his ability to defend MOST PFs, it freed up Stoudemire to do his thing.

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7/21/2005  6:45 PM
They just brought in Raja Bell, who can play minutes at both Guard and Forward. JJ can play 3 positions, 1 of which is SF. And Jimmy Jackson is a Guard/Forward as well. That's 3 guys right there that can man the 3 spot. Oh, and not to mention Tim Thomas, who, as we all know, is a SF. That's 4 right there.

I think your point, however, has to do with what kind of offer Isiah would come up with. Obviously Timmy would be in there. But who else? Well, I think Ariza might have to be part of the package. If that's the case, I still think you have to pull the trigger. Problem then would be that we still have a glut at PF. But more is always better than less. I'd rather have Marion in the mix and still have 1 too many PF's, rather than no Marion and 1 or 2 PF's less.

With the roster as it is now, even with Larry as head coach, I don't see us winning a playoff series.
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7/21/2005  6:46 PM
Posted by technomaster:


I'd be willing to trade Ariza/TT/Lee, easily... to get him. But I doubt he's truly on the block. He's just as important a cog in the Phoenix machine as Nash/Stoudamire. With his ability to defend MOST PFs, it freed up Stoudemire to do his thing.

He will be on the block if they resign Joe Johnson, which I'm confident they will. Too many maxed out players = Someone's got to go.
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7/21/2005  7:20 PM
Yeah Marion is the odd man.....

They are gonna Max out Joe Johnson for christsakes.....I dunno if it's the right thing to do but it's their team.....They wanna get more traditional to compete with the Spurs.

Joe Johnson is a small fwd by the way so they would need a 2 guard. Raja was scoring well in Utah. Maybe Raja has a break out year with Pheonix.

Maybe they have confidence in Jimmy after what he did in the playoffs.....

If Pheonix wants the cap relief to try and reload next year they give it to them. Marion fits the current Knicks. They need scoring out of the 3 spot and Marion is one of the best at his position.

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7/21/2005  7:29 PM
Sorry about the double thread but come on now.....replacing Timmy with Marion would be a miracle.



4 holes in the starting line-up would be solved with Q, Marbs, JJ, and Marion.....the only real question mark would be the 4.....but with Marion the Knicks could play Ariza at the 3 from time to time and just run teams into the ground......the options would be endless. Marbs could bring the half court game and Nate can just be set free to push on the break.

Marion would definately be an awesome pick up.
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7/21/2005  8:49 PM
nice pic dude. how old is that - like 500 years?


I'm tellin you guys though, with JJ likely maxed out, Marion is the odd man out. We could easily make a run at trading for him. I know Ariza's a fan favorite, but if that's what it takes, you do it. I'm assuming Isiah realizes that.

Maybe TT, Sweetney, and Ariza for Marion and a Fut. Pick?

Not sure exactly what it would take to make it happen, but I know for sure we have the pieces to get it done one way or the other.

Imagine this starting lineup...with the solid bench we already have:

Marbury
Q Rich
Marion
JYD/Frye
James

Nets. Schmets.
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7/21/2005  8:51 PM
btw, for those of you that don't understand why Marion fits the bill:


What we need - someone that can run the floor, hit the boards, and get some weak-side blocks. That's Marion in a nutshell.
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7/21/2005  8:52 PM
David Lee.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/21/2005  8:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

David Lee.


no comment...
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7/21/2005  9:08 PM
Here's one possible scenario:

Suns max JJ (or are forced to match a max offer from ATL)

If Mike Finley is cut loose by Dallas via the amnesty rule, he could end up back in Phoenix for a small contract and the Suns would have Marion's replacement pretty cheaply. Finley isn't as good, but he's decent, especailly at less than MLE level dollars. Suns then move Marion for cap savings/picks.

They could probably get more talent elsewhere, but probably get the most cap relief from NY. Probably takes at least a 1st rounder too to make it work, or maybe we can just unprotect the pick we owe from the marbury trade and let them have it next year?
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7/21/2005  9:18 PM
Personally, I'd rather offer a package of TT, Sweetney, and a future Unprotected 1st straight up for Marion. Really don't wanna give up Ariza.

Pheonix already used up their MLE on Bell. They have enough cap space to resign JJ AND sign Finley for mid-level money?
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7/21/2005  10:45 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

nice pic dude. how old is that - like 500 years?


I'm tellin you guys though, with JJ likely maxed out, Marion is the odd man out. We could easily make a run at trading for him. I know Ariza's a fan favorite, but if that's what it takes, you do it. I'm assuming Isiah realizes that.

Maybe TT, Sweetney, and Ariza for Marion and a Fut. Pick?

Not sure exactly what it would take to make it happen, but I know for sure we have the pieces to get it done one way or the other.

Imagine this starting lineup...with the solid bench we already have:

Marbury
Q Rich
Marion
JYD/Frye
James

Nets. Schmets.

JYD starting over frye? what? How about JYD on the bench and Frye/ sweetney...
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7/21/2005  11:16 PM
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T WANT SHAWN MARION ON THIS TEAM?????

The only 3's we should be looking at with any degree of seriousness are Ron Artest and Pau Gasol. Ron for obvious reasons and PAu because he is 7 feet, can shoot, post up, block shots and is only 24 years old.

We need a big man who can post up and block shots.


Just say NO to Shawn Marion!!!!!!!!
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7/22/2005  3:45 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T WANT SHAWN MARION ON THIS TEAM?????

No you're not.

I do agree with you.

Marion can run and jump, but can't create his own shot. Prevent him to shoot the 3s and he's got nothing in half court. We don't need that at that price, thx.
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7/22/2005  9:32 AM
Pau Gasol is as soft as they get. The last thing the Knicks need is a soft Euro player.



Where have all the smart fans gone?
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7/22/2005  9:38 AM
we need to stand pat and see what we have on the new guys that we have just acquired. Let Larry figure it out. If we need to upgrade, but mid-season, it will happen. Just get rid of Penny and Houston
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Posted by diderotn:

we need to stand pat and see what we have on the new guys that we have just acquired. Let Larry figure it out. If we need to upgrade, but mid-season, it will happen. Just get rid of Penny and Houston


I think the only opportunity to bring in Marion would be mid-season anyway, just before the deadline. Pheonix would want to hold onto him as long as possible for playoff positioning.

Penny and Houston are going nowhere. Timmy has actual trade value. He'll def. be the first to go before anyone else.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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