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bobs3304
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7/21/2005  11:12 AM
Isiah isn't making another deal anytime soon. But rest assured, a deal will be done sooner rather than later. Right now, we don't hold the cards, but once the season starts, and players begin falling in and out of favor with their respective teams.....that's when Isiah will sieze the opportunity.

Timmy is valuable b/c of his expiring contract, but it will be far more valuable if he starts putting of solid numbers in the beginning of the season. If Sweetney shows up in shape, that boosts his stock as well. Stockpiled draft picks - check. So what does all this mean? Well, Penny's only trade value is his expiring contract, and it ends there. The rest of our PF's are damn near impossible to trade. And Crawford, while a talented player, has a longterm deal that few teams will touch. Marbury isn't going anywhere, and either is Ariza or Frye & Co.


Likely Scenarios #1

Timmy
Sweetney
Fut. 1st

FOR

Shawn Marion


Likely Scenario #2

Timmy
Sweetney
Fut. 1st

FOR

Elton Brand


Likely Scenario #3

Timmy
Sweetney
Fut. 1st

FOR

Paul Pierce


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  11:13 AM
no offense, but tell me again why these are likely scenarios? I dont see how or why any of these are realistic
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7/21/2005  11:16 AM
#2 is the only one I really wanna do.
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7/21/2005  11:18 AM
trade 1 is possible as phoneix will have to shred some salaries to resign amare to the max of the max.

trade 2 is... as probable as me winning a final MVP trophy next year while bringing the clippers to the nba finals.

trade 3 could be done but i think we'll have our hands full of headcases already. Ainge can keep his !
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7/21/2005  11:18 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no offense, but tell me again why these are likely scenarios? I dont see how or why any of these are realistic


B/c Isiah has actually admitted recently that he will have to go after a bigtime player sometime in the future. All bigtime players are maxed out in the first place, which makes Timmy useful in a trade. Most teams look for cap space, young talent, and draft picks when they trade a star player. We'll be able to offer all 3. With Larry Brown in town for the next few years, we don't have much of a choice but to make a trade like the 3 scenarios above. There are no other star players I see being available for that price range (around Timmy's salary). With the Clippers, there's ALWAYS the chance they will try and cut salary. Pierce is reported to be on the block. And the Suns might try and match JJ and deal Marion.

Any other questions?
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7/21/2005  11:19 AM
I agree with fishmike here. What makes these scenarios likely? ho tells you any of those players are avaliable? All of those teams are committed to contending next season so why would they part with one of their best players for an expiring contract?
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7/21/2005  11:20 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I agree with fishmike here. What makes these scenarios likely? ho tells you any of those players are avaliable? All of those teams are committed to contending next season so why would they part with one of their best players for an expiring contract?

read my last post dude...
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7/21/2005  11:24 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I agree with fishmike here. What makes these scenarios likely? ho tells you any of those players are avaliable? All of those teams are committed to contending next season so why would they part with one of their best players for an expiring contract?

read my last post dude...

Still those aren't likely scenarios. Phoenix could let JJ go and then Marion would be VERY IMPORTANT to them, a keeper. About the Clippers, other that they could get more for Brand, they are trying to win now, so there would be no reason to trade Brand. And Paul, even if they were willing to make the deal, that wouldn't be an upgrade longterm..
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7/21/2005  11:27 AM
Trading for Marion is the most likely of the 3 scenarios. Why? B/c apparently those reports of JJ wanting to go to ATL is bull****. He wants to stay in Pheonix.

Bringing in Pierce is very possible, but b/c we're in the Atlantic I find it harder to belive that Ainge would trade him to NY.

Again...it's the Clippers. Any player on their team at any point could be traded. We're talking about Don "Cheap" Sterling. Whether or not it makes sense is one thing. But if history has proven anything, it's that the Clippers rarely hold onto talented, but overpaid*, players.

(*overpaid for Sterling's standards)
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7/21/2005  11:34 AM
Yeah, the Marion trade has been suggested by the media, but I guess we'll have to see what happens with JJ. Phoenix loves trading with us so it could happen, but it all depends on JJ.

Pierce, it could happen, but please no!

The Clipps, yeah, anything can happen with them, but they have changed their way of making bussiness, at least a little. They have actually kept players, very Anti-Clippers. But if Brand became avaliable, I think they may want more..
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7/21/2005  11:36 AM
I want to say this much.....Keep all the expiring contracts except for Penny's....We can use the cap space next season. I am sick and tired of improving other teams roster and cap space while ours is garbage...

Posted by Knicksfan:

Yeah, the Marion trade has been suggested by the media, but I guess we'll have to see what happens with JJ. Phoenix loves trading with us so it could happen, but it all depends on JJ.

Pierce, it could happen, but please no!

The Clipps, yeah, anything can happen with them, but they have changed their way of making bussiness, at least a little. They have actually kept players, very Anti-Clippers. But if Brand became avaliable, I think they may want more..
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7/21/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I want to say this much.....Keep all the expiring contracts except for Penny's....We can use the cap space next season. I am sick and tired of improving other teams roster and cap space while ours is garbage...


Penny won't bring in much, and Timmy is already on the block, according to the media......and common sense. Same goes for Sweetney.

Buddy - you want a championship caliber lineup? Then you need another player with Marbury's talent level. Look at the Pistons and Spurs. And then look at our roster...

Point made.


Oh - and Isiah was quoted recently as saying keeping expiring contracts is not his goal. He said even when teams get under the cap, there's no guarantee you can do anything with the cap space. Example - Portland.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/21/2005 11:41:10]
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7/21/2005  11:41 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I want to say this much.....Keep all the expiring contracts except for Penny's....We can use the cap space next season. I am sick and tired of improving other teams roster and cap space while ours is garbage...

Posted by Knicksfan:

Yeah, the Marion trade has been suggested by the media, but I guess we'll have to see what happens with JJ. Phoenix loves trading with us so it could happen, but it all depends on JJ.

Pierce, it could happen, but please no!

The Clipps, yeah, anything can happen with them, but they have changed their way of making bussiness, at least a little. They have actually kept players, very Anti-Clippers. But if Brand became avaliable, I think they may want more..

I agree with that. It wouldn't hurt at all to just let the contracts expire. But if we can get a good young player for them, let it happen! Now, be careful, I said young. Our mistake has been to trade expiring contracts for veterans. If we are really rebuilding, we soulc trade expiring contracts for very young players and/or picks..
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7/21/2005  11:44 AM
When the Pistons brought in Sheed he was a veteran dude.


I'd say that panned out pretty well for them...
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7/21/2005  11:47 AM
Why timmy and not penny...they are the same player...why give him to a team that wants him for his numbers if he's giving those numbers to us?

Timmy is an expiring deal only in my mind and I think that's why Penny is the contract most likely shipped out of town.

Timmy is staying...he's a local product and zeke puts a ton of importance on that.
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7/21/2005  11:48 AM
sometime in the future could be longer than this summer! Or by Midseason deadline, or even next off season!
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7/21/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

When the Pistons brought in Sheed he was a veteran dude.


I'd say that panned out pretty well for them...

They were already contending. They were established as a veteran team. They just needed Sheed to be closer to winning the championship, and they did. THe Knicks still lack many pieces, we aren't yet close to how the Pistons were before they got Sheed...
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Posted by rvhoss:

Why timmy and not penny...they are the same player...why give him to a team that wants him for his numbers if he's giving those numbers to us?

Timmy is an expiring deal only in my mind and I think that's why Penny is the contract most likely shipped out of town.

Timmy is staying...he's a local product and zeke puts a ton of importance on that.


Are you a Knick fan......from like Portland or something?

"Timy is staying...he's a local product and Zeke puts a ton of importance on that."

Stay away from that Kool-Aid man. Shit must be spiked.

Penny has far less value. Timmy, if he plays anywhere near solid in the beginning of next season, can bring us a star player with Sweetney and a pick. That's the point of this thread.

If you're looking for a Tim Thomas Fanclub....this board is DEFNITELY not it.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  11:51 AM
Posted by Nalod:

sometime in the future could be longer than this summer! Or by Midseason deadline, or even next off season!

I'd say Midseason deadline is more accurate.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  11:52 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

Why timmy and not penny...they are the same player...why give him to a team that wants him for his numbers if he's giving those numbers to us?

Timmy is an expiring deal only in my mind and I think that's why Penny is the contract most likely shipped out of town.

Timmy is staying...he's a local product and zeke puts a ton of importance on that.


Are you a Knick fan......from like Portland or something?

"Timy is staying...he's a local product and Zeke puts a ton of importance on that."

Stay away from that Kool-Aid man. Shit must be spiked.

Penny has far less value. Timmy, if he plays anywhere near solid in the beginning of next season, can bring us a star player with Sweetney and a pick. That's the point of this thread.

If you're looking for a Tim Thomas Fanclub....this board is DEFNITELY not it.

I think rvhoss was refering to the fact that TT is from New Jersey (Im not sure but I think he is)...
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