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teslawlo
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7/20/2005  9:43 PM
I can't help but place this encouraging picture of Frye dunking on Bogut with the enormous foul, too:


But let's be realistic, Frye has been a little inconsistent and the thing everyone knew coming in was that he is not a tremondous rebounder. What are your thoughts on his progress so far, and do you think he can develop into a 8-10 rebound type of guy as our center?
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7/20/2005  9:48 PM
Knick fans put too much into each pick because for 20 years we didnt draft anyone. We added 3 good players. One might become great, maybe none become great, maybe all are servicable NBA players. Bottom line is if we just use the draft each year like we did this year in a couple of year we will have a roster full of young talent like the Bulls and Grizz have with the $$$ to make some bigtime moves.

I just hope we are patient and stay this course regardless of outcome for at least 2 MORE years.
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7/20/2005  9:49 PM
That's a great picture. Look at him - SURROUNDED by white jersies. And jammin and roarin! THis kid 's gonna be special IMO. And unique. I'm not gonna talk about numbers at this point. I think he's gonna have a unique impact on the game. SOme kind of crazy combination of Chris Bosh, John Sally, Robert Horry, Kevin McHale and Marcus Camby.

Would everyone settle for that?
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7/20/2005  9:51 PM
Posted by Marv:

That's a great picture. Look at him - SURROUNDED by white jersies. And jammin and roarin! THis kid 's gonna be special IMO. And unique. I'm not gonna talk about numbers at this point. I think he's gonna have a unique impact on the game. SOme kind of crazy combination of Chris Bosh, John Sally, Robert Horry, Kevin McHale and Marcus Camby.

Would everyone settle for that?
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7/20/2005  9:53 PM
Posted by Marv:

That's a great picture. Look at him - SURROUNDED by white jersies. And jammin and roarin! THis kid 's gonna be special IMO. And unique. I'm not gonna talk about numbers at this point. I think he's gonna have a unique impact on the game. SOme kind of crazy combination of Chris Bosh, John Sally, Robert Horry, Kevin McHale and Marcus Camby.

Would everyone settle for that?

Wow! I take that any day of the week!
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7/20/2005  9:54 PM
And it IS in fact a great picture! Frye showing a lot of emotion, and thats great for him and for the Knicks. I hope he plays with that fire for us!
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7/20/2005  9:58 PM
Frye's the type of guy that can score alot (15 PPG when he hits his stride), but only 5 RPG or thereabout. The problem is that he really doesn't have a knack for (or the body for) boxing out bigger PF's and Centers. He'll get some weak-side blocks, but nowhere near the impact that Camby had. I think he'll be solid off the bench, but I doubt he has the potential to be a starter in this league.

He has heart, but he doesn't have tenacity. IMO, having one and not the other is more or less pointless.

That said, can we survive with Sweetney getting 25+ minutes a game? I'm really not bankin on it. If he can whip himself into shape, and improve his overall defense, I'm all for it. But let's be realistic - we're talking about an undersized PF with limited athleticism, zero outside game, and a Big-Mac problem...

Sweetney is an overachiever, not an underachiver. He works really hard, and his ceiling isn't all that high. With 30 minutes at PF, I could see him getting 12 and 8, which is solid, but we could easily bring in another player via trade that could do much more with the same amount of PT...

That's just my opinion. If Sweetney proves me wrong, I'd be more than happy to admit I'm a retard.
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7/20/2005  10:01 PM
bobs, I think thats 100% fair on Frye. I will point out that Camby didnt become a good rebounder for the same reasons you mentioned until he was in the league 3-4 years. He went from 6-7 boards a game to double digits under JVG. It can be taught. Best thing about Frye to me is he wants to be here and he's got a great work ethic.
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7/20/2005  10:30 PM
Isiah said that he would draft Frye over Bogut. We are beginning to understand why.
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7/20/2005  10:39 PM
Posted by Rich:

Isiah said that he would draft Frye over Bogut. We are beginning to understand why.


perception does not = reality.


please wake up and smell the coffee.

would YOU draft Frye over Bogut?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  10:48 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Rich:

Isiah said that he would draft Frye over Bogut. We are beginning to understand why.


perception does not = reality.


please wake up and smell the coffee.

would YOU draft Frye over Bogut?

I wouldn't have, but I think Frye is showing small signs that Isiah may have been telling the truth.
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7/20/2005  10:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:

bobs, I think thats 100% fair on Frye. I will point out that Camby didnt become a good rebounder for the same reasons you mentioned until he was in the league 3-4 years. He went from 6-7 boards a game to double digits under JVG. It can be taught. Best thing about Frye to me is he wants to be here and he's got a great work ethic.

THats why I would love so much that the Knicks really sign Larry Brown. Not only because he is a great coach and he can make us a playoff team, but because he can teach these kids so many things and make them such great players in the future. Im sure that the fact that Frye is willing to learn, that he wan'ts to be here and that he shows emotion on his play, all that will make him become a great player in the future...
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7/20/2005  10:50 PM
Posted by Rich:


I wouldn't have, but I think Frye is showing small signs that Isiah may have been telling the truth.


Isiah is yankin your chain...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  10:52 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Rich:


I wouldn't have, but I think Frye is showing small signs that Isiah may have been telling the truth.


Isiah is yankin your chain...
yup

Frye's the type of guy that can score alot (15 PPG when he hits his stride), but only 5 RPG or thereabout.
Are you talking about 5 RPG in his rookie season or in his prime? I could see 5 to 6 his rookie season and 2 more per game in his prime.
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7/20/2005  10:57 PM
Around 5 during his first few years in the league (assuming he gets the minutes).

I think he'll max out around 7 in his prime.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  10:59 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

[quote]Posted by Rich:

Isiah said that he would draft Frye over Bogut. We are beginning to understand why.


would i take frye over bogut------ no way

Frye-GREAT offensive skill player, he could be the best free throw shooting big in the league next year, he has beautiful touch all around the court and he can run the court and block shots. Poor rebounder, will have trouble against guys who have leverage on him. Cannot guard big thick players.

Bogut--absolutely a phenominal rebounder. will average 10-12 rebounds with EASE year 1. Easily a top 5 nba rebounding machine. outside shooting and FT needs work, but inside game is as polished for a 20 YO that I have seen in years. Just turned 20 but weighs in at 7 1/4 252 can play 4 or 5. fiery an true leader, a winner, needs to work on defensive fundamentals closest thing to Duncan that I have seen. he'll be very good now with some hicups, but in years 2-3 etc.. will be a 20+ 12/13 reb 2 block shot force. broad shoulders, should end in the 260+ range

both players like i said need a LOT of work on the D
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7/20/2005  11:04 PM
Would I draft Frye over Bogut? No. If I had just drafted Frye at #8 and an interviewer asked me, would I say I'd have drafted Frye over Bogut? If the interviewer caught me off-guard, probably yes. If I'd been prepared for the question, I'd find a way to avoid answering it, though.
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7/20/2005  11:05 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Rich:


I wouldn't have, but I think Frye is showing small signs that Isiah may have been telling the truth.


Isiah is yankin your chain...

Hey, I would have taken Bynum over Frye, but I'm seeing signs that the kid has more athleticism and quickness than I thought.

[Edited by - Rich on 07/20/2005 23:06:15]
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7/20/2005  11:06 PM
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7/20/2005  11:07 PM
Getting a little sick of this RPG stuff. So I decided to look up some big men numbers. I think I will start with the Big fella numbers from last season.
Shaquille O'Neal RPG 10.40
I thought that was pretty decent until I look at Lamar Odom's numbers
Lamar Odom RPG 10.20
Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds, has 3 inches on him and plays strictly in the post while Odom patrols from the perimeter to the post and he can only get.20 more rpg. The Lakers problems last season wasn't because of Odom.
Nene RPG 5.90
This is the guy you hear alot about on this board. About how the Knicks need to get him. Really? 5.90 boards, its no wonder that he that Kiki wanted to get K-Mart and constantly has Nene on the blocks.
Brad Miller RPG 9.30
The most underappreciated center, maybe player in the league.
Ben Wallace RPG 12.20
Enough said.
Dwight Howard RPG 10.00
Young man is on his way. Those numbers are great for a young rookie.
Samuel Dalembert RPG 7.50
Another guy who gets alot of love around here but numbers are spotty at best. I guess everyone expects that one day the bulb will come on and he will be something great. Btw, he has been in the league 3 years already is already 24 yrs old. Funny how some guys get love while others don't.
Micheal Sweetney RPG 5.40
Numbers seem to go down this season with more minutes. Conditioning has alot to do with it.

To me these are quality big men I listed of course there are ton of others but I think if Frye get anywhere need 5+ rpg next season with decent minutes (meaning getting Dwight Howard's type of rookie minutes) I think he is right on course.

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