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BRIGGS
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7/13/2005  8:10 PM
Unless something presents itself that is intriuging

I read on the Laker board that kwame will only get a 2 year 14mm$ contract and he wants three years. For me, I really would give up Q and give him the additional 3rd year+an option. We could start Kwame and Channing at C+PF

If I really thought that highly of Q or IF I had to pay Kwame out of the arse I wouldnt do it. But actually Im taking back less $ and Im opening up time for Nate and trevor--which is what I think is right. Id like to see Marbury more of the 2G this year with Nate and Jamal at the 1.

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7/13/2005  8:17 PM
Briggs....once again....and then again.


You're jumping the gun. It's contradictory to keep Marbury and then bring in a young, unproven Big like Kwame. Keeping Marbury is basically announcing that your short-term goal is to make the playoffs, but with Kwame as our best big man, it just wouldn't add up. I'm all for trading Q for Kwame (and a draft pick), but only if our intentions are to deal Marbury as well and enter a brief rebuilding period.

Like I keep saying, with Larry Brown still in the picture, you can't say which direction we're headed just yet. But I can guarantee this - a starting 5 of Marbury, Crawford, Timmy, Frye, and Kwame wouldn't even be the 4th best in the ATLANTIC, let alone a possible playoff team. That would send us back to the lottery faster than you can say "George Muhresan".

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 20:18:30]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 20:19:05]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  8:27 PM
Briggs, you took the words right out of my head...well, the subject anyway, but your post is garbage the team as is is what we should go with!

let's go into the season and see what happens? I mean, unless we get shaq or duncan or garnett, we're not going ot win a championship.

The current knicks:
marbs/Crawford/nate
Q/Crawford/Nate
TT/Ariza/Q
Sweets/MoT/Lee
Frye/Rose/JYD/Butler

Am I forgetting anyone?

Looks like too many people...but hey, that's what a season is for...My vision of the ideal top 9 (modified Riley playoff roster philosophy)

Marbs/Q/TT/MoT/Frye starting
Crawford 6th man
Nate/Lee/Sweets

I'm a psycho, I know...

I like MoT's post up game better than sweets (they both have the same chance of coming into camp in shape)

Sweets, to me, is a bench player that demolishes the other teams second unit.

Rose and JYD are great role players during the season, but the playoffs are business...they come in for matchup and foul trouble issues only.

Butler...he's 20, he's got tons of time to grow (though Reezy is younger, can you believe it?)

Just call me mr. optimism, but who knew the baby bulls and wizards would make the dance? If you get behind your team, they perform.

We have all the components, there is no reason we can't put it together.

Lee (if he's not ready) can be easily replaced with JYD/Rose
Nate (if he's not...come on, he's READY!!!)

that's enough of me spreading my dreams...the yankees better make a run, I'm losing my mind!!

[Edited by - rvhoss on 07/13/2005 20:28:24]
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7/13/2005  8:44 PM
It's contradictory to keep Marbury and then bring in a young, unproven Big like Kwame.
Why? What better playmaker than Marbury to elevate Kwame's game. He put up 11/7 as a starter two years ago. Marbury can get him 2 more easy baskets than whoever was the Wiz starting PG that year (Tyron Lue??). That makes him a 15 PPG PF/C. He could easily improve beyond that next season if he is dedicated to improving.
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7/13/2005  8:53 PM
I think Kwame would be better off in a smaller market than NY or LA.
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7/13/2005  8:56 PM
briggs man - you're too funny.

i say offer them malik or jyd and a #1 for kwame

or Q for kwame (if the asking rate is 2 years and he wants a 3rd, then Q is worth WAY MORE than kwame right now, at least i bet that's isiah's thinking)
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7/13/2005  9:03 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

It's contradictory to keep Marbury and then bring in a young, unproven Big like Kwame.

huh? you mean like Nash and Amare?

Marbury isn't that old. And he is far and away the best player on the team. I'm all for exploring trades for Marbs if it helps the team - but I don't think theres any way you can say that adding Kwame means Marbury has to go. If anything, I think adding Kwame solidifies this team as one that is ready to win sooner than later. There would be no holes on a team with Frye, Kwame, Lee, Sweetney, Malik in the front court, TT and Ariza at SF, Jamal, Marbury, Nate in the back court. Maybe sign one more swingman, or use Tim or Penny's contract to get one and you're good to go.

I would totally endorse Q for Kwame.
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7/13/2005  9:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs man - you're too funny.

i say offer them malik or jyd and a #1 for kwame

or Q for kwame (if the asking rate is 2 years and he wants a 3rd, then Q is worth WAY MORE than kwame right now, at least i bet that's isiah's thinking)

Are we talking about the same Q? Quentin Richardson? What has he ever done to make him more valuable than a seven footer who is two years younger with no back problems? He's a HORRIBLE shooter, he's not a great defender, he's not that good guys.

Kwame for Q would be looked at as one of the most lop-sided trades in the league within a year. Kwame for Q is a steal.
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7/13/2005  9:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs man - you're too funny.

i say offer them malik or jyd and a #1 for kwame

or Q for kwame (if the asking rate is 2 years and he wants a 3rd, then Q is worth WAY MORE than kwame right now, at least i bet that's isiah's thinking)

Are we talking about the same Q? Quentin Richardson? What has he ever done to make him more valuable than a seven footer who is two years younger with no back problems? He's a HORRIBLE shooter, he's not a great defender, he's not that good guys.

Kwame for Q would be looked at as one of the most lop-sided trades in the league within a year. Kwame for Q is a steal.

hey, that's was i hope for also, but so far, Q has accomplished more in one year than kwame in 3. kwame was booted from a playoff team and Q hit big shot after big shot in the playoffs. so Q is proven, kwame is a HUGE RISK. that's why the value is off.
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7/13/2005  9:15 PM
Q absolutely choked against Ginobili and the Spurs. His last two games were attrocious. I don't get it - you do realize that Nash got Q tons of wide open looks all year and he still shot 39%fg and 36%3pfg? Wide open looks. It's not like Marbury will be able to get Q more open than Nash did. Against a team that stayed home on him, Q did nothing.

Kwame is a better player in every way shape and form. So is Jamal. If we hadn't gotten Nate in that trade, I would feel queasy right now. As is, I think we won the trade, but let's not overrate Q just because his name is fun to type and he won a three pt shootout. He's limited.
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7/13/2005  9:21 PM
I mean, I'd rather have Q Rich than Kurt Thomas. But I'd also rather have Kwame than Q.
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7/13/2005  9:26 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

The current knicks:
marbs/Crawford/nate
Q/Crawford/Nate
TT/Ariza/Q
Sweets/MoT/Lee
Frye/Rose/JYD/Butler

you seriously believe Frye can come right in and start at center?
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7/13/2005  9:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
It's contradictory to keep Marbury and then bring in a young, unproven Big like Kwame.
Why? What better playmaker than Marbury to elevate Kwame's game. He put up 11/7 as a starter two years ago. Marbury can get him 2 more easy baskets than whoever was the Wiz starting PG that year (Tyron Lue??). That makes him a 15 PPG PF/C. He could easily improve beyond that next season if he is dedicated to improving.

its not worth it, bob thinks PGs die once they hit 30.
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7/13/2005  9:30 PM
Ya.....we all know what a bust Amare has been since he came into the league...


Oh, and I believe Nash also had a guy by the name of Shawn Marion, a luxury we don't have. Not to mention JJ and Quentin.

THAT is why bringing in a guy like Kwame will more than likely mean the end of Marbury in NY. But bringing in a guy like Kwame will more than likely only happen if Larry Brown isn't available, b/c I think Isiah would much rather go after a proven, legit Big to ensure a playoff birth rather than take a chance on a guy that could just as much be a bust as a future star...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  9:30 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by rvhoss:

The current knicks:
marbs/Crawford/nate
Q/Crawford/Nate
TT/Ariza/Q
Sweets/MoT/Lee
Frye/Rose/JYD/Butler

you seriously believe Frye can come right in and start at center?

I think he can play it, but he needs someone big next to him. Kwame fits the bill nicely.

Marbury/Nate
Crawford/Nate
Ariza/Lee/TT
Kwame/Sweetney/Rose/Lee
Frye/Kwame/Butler

...that's what I would want. I'd still like one more big with Kwame and Frye, but maybe Butler can be that guy.
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7/13/2005  9:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Ya.....we all know what a bust Amare has been since he came into the league...


Oh, and I believe Nash also had a guy by the name of Shawn Marion, a luxury we don't have. Not to mention JJ and Quentin.

THAT is why bringing in a guy like Kwame will more than likely mean the end of Marbury in NY. But bringing in a guy like Kwame will more than likely only happen if Larry Brown isn't available, b/c I think Isiah would much rather go after a proven, legit Big to ensure a playoff birth rather than take a chance on a guy that could just as much be a bust as a future star...

you've created a series of assumptions that you won't allow yourself to be talked out of...

The point was the Suns had a young athletic team and Isiah is building a young athletic team. Acquiring a 23 year old 7-footer does not mean we have to trade our 28 year old all-star point guard.
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7/13/2005  9:33 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


Marbury/Nate
Crawford/Nate
Ariza/Lee/TT
Kwame/Sweetney/Rose/Lee
Frye/Kwame/Butler

...that's what I would want. I'd still like one more big with Kwame and Frye, but maybe Butler can be that guy.


That team wouldn't even come close to making the playoffs. 3rd best in the Atlantic at best...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  9:34 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by rvhoss:

The current knicks:
marbs/Crawford/nate
Q/Crawford/Nate
TT/Ariza/Q
Sweets/MoT/Lee
Frye/Rose/JYD/Butler

you seriously believe Frye can come right in and start at center?

I think he can play it, but he needs someone big next to him. Kwame fits the bill nicely.

Marbury/Nate
Crawford/Nate
Ariza/Lee/TT
Kwame/Sweetney/Rose/Lee
Frye/Kwame/Butler

...that's what I would want. I'd still like one more big with Kwame and Frye, but maybe Butler can be that guy.

i think butler is still far from ready. I agree, i would love to get Kwame, most people here are scared off by Wiz management and overlook his potential.
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7/13/2005  9:34 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:


Marbury/Nate
Crawford/Nate
Ariza/Lee/TT
Kwame/Sweetney/Rose/Lee
Frye/Kwame/Butler

...that's what I would want. I'd still like one more big with Kwame and Frye, but maybe Butler can be that guy.


That team wouldn't even come close to making the playoffs. 3rd best in the Atlantic at best...

I betcha it would.
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7/13/2005  9:35 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:


Marbury/Nate
Crawford/Nate
Ariza/Lee/TT
Kwame/Sweetney/Rose/Lee
Frye/Kwame/Butler

...that's what I would want. I'd still like one more big with Kwame and Frye, but maybe Butler can be that guy.


That team wouldn't even come close to making the playoffs. 3rd best in the Atlantic at best...

who cares if it makes the playoffs!! we are just trying to develop our guys, not win a championship.
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