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BRIGGS
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7/12/2005  10:14 PM
with all the focus on Frye, we have all underestimated just how good Nate Robinson has been.

Although he is 5-9, he has every asset you would want as a lead PG. He's a fiery leader, hes very, very tough. He handles the ball like a yoyo, he gets into seems at will and delivers passes quite well. He can shoot, get to the hole very easily and finish consistently. he can rebound very well for a g and once he gets it can push the ball as fast as any G in the nBA. He makes up for his size with his extraordinary athletic ability. He can press the ball 94 feet.

With all this emphasis on the big man, and while its important, I think as we are constructed to talent level--I believe our best bet is to play a lot of 3 AND possibly 4 guard sets. You alwasy want to put your best players on the floor, NO WAY no frikin way Nate only desrves 10 minutes. What he is doing now, he will do to anyone in the nBA, frankly because he is just a superior athlete that no one will be able to contain. he is what he is, a mini dwayne wade--in fact I already see him as KEY to the Knicks making the playoffs. If we can get into nice 3 guard sets and really give opponenets fits matching up and speed wise, that is the ticket in.

that is why i say NO to Walker Blount--its contradictory to what we can be. We need more obviously, but we should stay patient.

Instead of going after Walker, go after Gooden and Pachulia--give Pachulia the MLE and bargain out a deal that includes JYD to Clev with that SA pick for Gooden. thats how I see it. More 3 guard sets go after gooden and pachulia--thats the correct path
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7/12/2005  10:17 PM
I think you're missing the point.


Who our next head coach is will determine what direction we're going in, which in turn determines whether Marbury stays or goes, which in turn determines what type of team we assemble.

But you can't have ONE team for both scenarios...

Scenario 1 = Instant Playoff Contention

Scenario 2 = Brief Rebuilding Period

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 22:18:16]
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7/12/2005  10:22 PM
I think when you have Q, nate, and marbs or craw on the floor at one time, it is going to be hard for a lot of teams to match up with any comb of the 3, but you are right briggs, nate needs to play big minutes, the guy is amazing and one thing I like about him is his ability to use his left hand to finish, he does this better than marbury IMO..
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7/12/2005  10:31 PM
I think you could have 4 guard sets too at times. Q is heavier and stronger and much tougher than our starting center in the 2nd half of last season! He could guard 2s, 3s, or 4s, and he could force 4s to have to play him on the perimeter.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/12/2005 22:31:45]
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7/12/2005  10:37 PM
I truely believe that we don't have a shot at Gooden. Ferry is in the front office now and he's going to want to make a good impression on the franchise with the moves that he'll be making. Personally I don't believe JYD and a pick would cater to that. I was watching ESPN and it was reported that the Hughes to Clev wasn't Ferry's move. That Clev had already spoken to Hughes and Hughes was willing to wait out the Michael Redd situation and if it fell through he'd sign. From what they're saying, this was working out b4 Ferry came in. So if he does move Gooden, it will be his first move. I don't see it happening with us. Unfortunately.
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7/12/2005  11:07 PM
Ferry's first move was re-signing Zydrunas. Lebron didn't want Zydrunas, he wanted Curry. It was a big move for several reasons. Ferry's next big move will be to sign the Lithuanian PG. Moving Gooden would be a kind of final move. It's not like Gooden helped them make the playoffs or anything.
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7/12/2005  11:08 PM
I agree that the Knicks SHOULD and WILL run a lot of three guard sets. In fact, I think when it comes down to it, Marbury, Crawford and Quentin will all start. Ariza and Nate off the bench. I believe 3 of those 5 will be on the court for most of the game. Maybe Lee will play some SF, but I don't see Tim starting as the SF and I don't think he'll be here past February.
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7/12/2005  11:17 PM
I watched Nate at UW. He was streaky. He had a couple stretches where he struggled, and Will Conroy stepped up. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a starter yet. He is capable, yes. But he should be given some time to adjust to the pro game, against pro players. The summer league can be misleading. His best role will be off the bench for the first year, imho.
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7/12/2005  11:20 PM
I don't think anyone is saying start Nate. But 20 minutes a night would be nice.
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7/12/2005  11:25 PM
Posted by tkf:

I think when you have Q, nate, and marbs or craw on the floor at one time, it is going to be hard for a lot of teams to match up with any comb of the 3
Dont you think our defense would really suck? We have to have dependable front court players committed on D to make it work. I am dieing to see what the roster looks like at the begining of the season.
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7/12/2005  11:28 PM
I think a lineup of 3 guards with forwards like Frye, Lee, Hunter, Sweetney and Rose rotating in and out could work. Course, it'd be nice to get Hunter or Kwame or Drew Gooden...or someone who is actually good. That would make it work better.
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7/12/2005  11:33 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think anyone is saying start Nate. But 20 minutes a night would be nice.

Yeah I agree, I mistakenly fused the Marbury traded scenario with this one.

[Edited by - rain on 07/12/2005 23:33:46]
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7/12/2005  11:50 PM
Posted by rain:

I watched Nate at UW. He was streaky. He had a couple stretches where he struggled, and Will Conroy stepped up. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a starter yet. He is capable, yes. But he should be given some time to adjust to the pro game, against pro players. The summer league can be misleading. His best role will be off the bench for the first year, imho.

the college game can be funny, teams can play a true zone and that could at times hurt nate, but in the pros they will have to defend him man on man and even with the NBA zone you still just can't lay off nate, if that happens the knicks have Q who can punish zones...
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7/13/2005  8:16 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by tkf:

I think when you have Q, nate, and marbs or craw on the floor at one time, it is going to be hard for a lot of teams to match up with any comb of the 3
Dont you think our defense would really suck? We have to have dependable front court players committed on D to make it work. I am dieing to see what the roster looks like at the begining of the season.
I think Craw is the only poor defender of those three. But more importantly, you'd be replacing TT with Q if you went with that 3 player unit. So, the defense would be vastly improved from last year.
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7/13/2005  8:23 AM
Don't get too excited about SL production, because regular NBA squad will not allow the sort of things that are going on in the SL. Teams are much better defensively, except for the Knicks, and players are stronger and wiser. Nate may turn out to be a very good player, but wait until the season begins to see what this kid is truly about.
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7/13/2005  9:49 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I think a lineup of 3 guards with forwards like Frye, Lee, Hunter, Sweetney and Rose rotating in and out could work. Course, it'd be nice to get Hunter or Kwame or Drew Gooden...or someone who is actually good. That would make it work better.


Sorry man. Not to burst your bubble. For you and anyone on this board that feels we should be fine with Marbury, Crawford, and Q Rich having the offense run mostly through them, and banking on guys like Lee, Frye, Hunter, Sweetney......even Rose, is just ridiculous. Maybe you guys are more hopeful than I thought. I'm optimistic like anyone else, but REALISTICALLY optimistic. I think good things can happen, but changes are in order.

To think a bunch of 1st and 2nd year PF's, along with a few undersized, veteran PF's and possibly a FA signing will man the paint for us over the next few years is ludicrous. It's not quantity, it's quality that matters. Frye and Lee won't be getting much Playing Time if our goal, if YOUR goal, is to make the playoffs. Be realistic. When do rookies EVER make that much of an impact on a team, especially when theyre destined to be solid role players off the bench, but nothing more than that.

In order to make a run next year, assuming that is in fact the goal of the orginization, then a BIG move needs to be made to acquire a legit big man, not your everday 5-10 MPG benchwarmers.

I guess that's the problem with some Knick fans. They're completely oblivious to reality. I like that you stick by your team no matter what, but open your eyes. We're in the Atlantic, and even with Kwame and the rest of our guys, Marbury included, we still wouldnt even be 2nd or 3rd in our DIVISION. Philly, NJ, and maybe even Boston will be better, and by a good margin. We'll STILL be missing the playoffs......again.

And THAT, my friends, is why, unless we land a Sheed-caliber PF/C soon, Marbury needs to be dealt before it's too late...
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7/13/2005  9:53 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by rain:

I watched Nate at UW. He was streaky. He had a couple stretches where he struggled, and Will Conroy stepped up. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a starter yet. He is capable, yes. But he should be given some time to adjust to the pro game, against pro players. The summer league can be misleading. His best role will be off the bench for the first year, imho.

the college game can be funny, teams can play a true zone and that could at times hurt nate, but in the pros they will have to defend him man on man and even with the NBA zone you still just can't lay off nate, if that happens the knicks have Q who can punish zones...

Q isn't going to punish zones if he shoots 35% from 3pt range like he did last year.

I see a lot of zone defense in the future.
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7/13/2005  11:01 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by rain:

I watched Nate at UW. He was streaky. He had a couple stretches where he struggled, and Will Conroy stepped up. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a starter yet. He is capable, yes. But he should be given some time to adjust to the pro game, against pro players. The summer league can be misleading. His best role will be off the bench for the first year, imho.


the college game can be funny, teams can play a true zone and that could at times hurt nate, but in the pros they will have to defend him man on man and even with the NBA zone you still just can't lay off nate, if that happens the knicks have Q who can punish zones...

Q isn't going to punish zones if he shoots 35% from 3pt range like he did last year.

I see a lot of zone defense in the future.

Q has hit big shots for the suns all year, I am expecting he do the same, that is what I mean by punishing the defense...


[Edited by - tkf on 07/13/2005 11:02:57]
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7/13/2005  11:21 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by rain:

I watched Nate at UW. He was streaky. He had a couple stretches where he struggled, and Will Conroy stepped up. I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a starter yet. He is capable, yes. But he should be given some time to adjust to the pro game, against pro players. The summer league can be misleading. His best role will be off the bench for the first year, imho.


the college game can be funny, teams can play a true zone and that could at times hurt nate, but in the pros they will have to defend him man on man and even with the NBA zone you still just can't lay off nate, if that happens the knicks have Q who can punish zones...

Q isn't going to punish zones if he shoots 35% from 3pt range like he did last year.

I see a lot of zone defense in the future.

Q has hit big shots for the suns all year, I am expecting he do the same, that is what I mean by punishing the defense...

Yeah, he hit so many big shots, played such good defense and performed so well in the playoffs that they repalced him with Raja Bell and added pick 21 to get rid of him for a guy we couldnt trade for 3years
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7/13/2005  11:27 AM
Marburry will be the one to watchout for next season. He passed on a lot of big shots last season that he will take and make next season. Now that we have a midget to give him a breather, in the 4th quarter look for Marburry to be at his best. In Phoenix he took and made a lot of clutch shots....
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