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Who will you rather have Stromile Swift or Jerome James
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mattshaw78
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7/11/2005  6:22 AM

Friday, July 08, 2005
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff
Isiah Thomas has narrowed his focus to two unrestricted free agents, believed to be big men Stromile Swift and Jerome James. Thomas has met with Swift and been in communication with James' agent and hopes to sign either one of them before turning his gaze elsewhere.

Speaking yesterday on MSG Network at halftime of the Knicks' summer-league game in Las Vegas, Thomas made it clear he wanted one of those two players to be a presence in the middle next year.

"I'd like to add another shot-blocker to the team," Thomas said. "I thought last year defensively, particularly inside, we didn't necessarily have the girth or the length. Right now, there are a couple of players out there, one of them gives us length (Swift) and the other one gives us girth (James). If I can add either one of those players, it would be a good addition in the off-season for us, because both of those guys can block shots."

James, who is 7-1, 275 pounds, last season was seventh in the NBA in blocked shots per 48 minutes with 4.01. Calls to his agent, Marc Fleisher, were not returned yesterday. Swift's agent, Andy Miller, said Wednesday that the Knicks are high on his client's list.

If Thomas can't sign James or the 6-9, 230-pound Swift, he will try to get either Samuel Dalembert from the Sixers or Kwame Brown from the Wizards in a sign-and-trade deal.

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gunsnewing
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7/11/2005  7:28 AM
yeah Jerome James would fit right into that running style team Isiah is putting together. I'm sorry but sometimes it doesn't look like Isiah knows what he's doing as GM. He's very good at drafting talent though
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7/11/2005  7:47 AM
if we're set on keeping marbury -- neither.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  10:14 AM
Stromile - no question
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7/11/2005  10:22 AM
As dumb as Stromile can be on the court at times, this is an easy one, definitely Stromile.
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7/11/2005  10:34 AM
I would say James, because he is a Center and that is our biggest issue. Enough with the PFs...
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7/11/2005  11:07 AM
I hate how they don't know exactly who the "believed big men" are. I think Swift is one for certain but the media has been taking guesses at who the other one is the whole time. They just think its James? I know the Star Ledger printed an article the other day saying had his sights set on a agile big man (known to be Swift by Swifts comments) and the other was one that would provide girth, well Kwame Brown provides girth too, I dont think its a sure bet that it's Jerome James but if it is, I want nothing to do with him.
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7/11/2005  11:13 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I hate how they don't know exactly who the "believed big men" are. I think Swift is one for certain but the media has been taking guesses at who the other one is the whole time. They just think its James? I know the Star Ledger printed an article the other day saying had his sights set on a agile big man (known to be Swift by Swifts comments) and the other was one that would provide girth, well Kwame Brown provides girth too, I dont think its a sure bet that it's Jerome James but if it is, I want nothing to do with him.

I was thinking the same that it might be the media bringing up James but then I remembered how hard Isiah was pursuing Erick Dampier last year so I don't think the media is making things up in this instance
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7/11/2005  11:18 AM
I think either you go big or not at all. Keeping Marbury means Isiah still has high expectations of him and of our ability to win with him. If we're keeping him then, you go after a big man that can impact this team RIGHT AWAY, not 2 years from now. That pretty much excludes Kwame, Jerome, and Stro. But if Isiah plans on dealing Steph either now or in the near future, I woudn't have as much of a problem going after potential...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  11:24 AM
would it be possible to get both Kwame and Swift?

sign & trade with Wash: Kwame for Crawford & Sweetney

and then

MLE to Swift

bench: Frye, nate, ariza, lee
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7/11/2005  11:29 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

would it be possible to get both Kwame and Swift?

sign & trade with Wash: Kwame for Crawford & Sweetney

and then

MLE to Swift

bench: Frye, nate, ariza, lee

Why would you want both, let alone 1? Again, just to reiterate, keeping Marbury means all business. Playoffs or bust basically. You don't take mere potential if that's your goal. However, if dealing Marbury is on the horizon, I see Isiah taking a chance on a young big b/c expectation will sink (as will the cap), and while we'll become a more exciting team, the near future is what we'd be set on...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  11:30 AM
I think what everybody needs to realize is that Jereome James has NO POTENTIAL! He is a veteran player who has been the league for a while, and he is really bad.

To me he is not worth any more then the LLE. If we are getting him for that amount, fine. But anymore would be just stupid.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/11/2005  11:33 AM
its funny nyk4ever. You brought up a great point. Yes Kwame has been a bust but its funny how everyone wants Jerome James when Jerome James never put up the 10pts/7.5rebs Kwame did for an entire season. There's a reason Seattle has never played Jerome James for more than 16mins in a season dating all the way back to 1998! in his career year he average 5.4pts!

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7/11/2005  11:35 AM
Back from Bahamas. It is been a blast of a week there. Anyways, I think it is better we go with James instead of Stro. We have more than enough undersized PFs that it is nuts. Stro would be a nice fit but too bad we have Mo, Malik, JYD, Sweetney and Lee. Jerome James is a true 7 footer and would be a live body in the middle which the knicks desperately needs. He can be had cheap for the MLE, BIG MAN IS AT A PREMIUM. Don't you just want to cover your eyes if Sweetney ended up playing C against skilled 7 footers like Z and Shaq? If I was Isiah, I would just go for Jerome while still exploring sign n trades for the likes of Kwame Brown. There is simply no time to horse around with players that are not a C.
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7/11/2005  11:37 AM
Guns:


You'd have us trading Crawford and Sweetney for unproven talent. That makes no sense if you have us keeping Marbury. He needs legit help in the frontcourt, experience proven help. Not mere potential. Potential is fine if you have a few years to develop it, but when you're banking on making the playoffs THAT YEAR, it's a bad decision.

Keep Marbury = go after Big Men like Magloire

Trade Marbury = go after Potential (unless you can still get a legit Big Man -- never pass opportunities like that up)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  11:38 AM
I would be covering my eyses just as much if our answer to the skilled 7 footers was a fat bum by the name of James.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/11/2005  11:44 AM
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Back from Bahamas. It is been a blast of a week there. Anyways, I think it is better we go with James instead of Stro. We have more than enough undersized PFs that it is nuts. Stro would be a nice fit but too bad we have Mo, Malik, JYD, Sweetney and Lee. Jerome James is a true 7 footer and would be a live body in the middle which the knicks desperately needs. He can be had cheap for the MLE, BIG MAN IS AT A PREMIUM. Don't you just want to cover your eyes if Sweetney ended up playing C against skilled 7 footers like Z and Shaq? If I was Isiah, I would just go for Jerome while still exploring sign n trades for the likes of Kwame Brown. There is simply no time to horse around with players that are not a C.

jerome is more similar to Rose, JYD and Co because neither are athletic and are role players. you can't have 5 role players all doing the same thing. if we're going to run with nate, crawford, ariza and lee we need athletic bigmen like Stromile who's scoring average should ballon just like Kenyon Martin's did in NJ. obviously a beast like Elton Brand would be great but jerome is not that guy. We need to do the next best thing and thats be athletic
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7/11/2005  11:46 AM
Almost every player in the NBA is athletic to a certain extent buddy. If you want an athletic freak that doesn't provide much substance then Stro's your man. And if you want pure potential but not much reliability, then Kwame's your man. Me, personally, if our goal REALLY is to make the playoffs next season, I'm going after legit size, and Jerome James doesn't qualify. That's a nay on all 3 for me. No rhyme intended...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Almost every player in the NBA is athletic to a certain extent buddy. If you want an athletic freak that doesn't provide much substance then Stro's your man. And if you want pure potential but not much reliability, then Kwame's your man. Me, personally, if our goal REALLY is to make the playoffs next season, I'm going after legit size, and Jerome James doesn't qualify. That's a nay on all 3 for me. No rhyme intended...

trust me I agree. There are a billion guys I'd rather have over swift & kwame like Brand and Nene for starters but those aren't realistic options so we have to settle for the nect best thing. A team that runs the floor and has athletic finishers. Won't get us very far but at least it'll put money in Dolan's pockets
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7/11/2005  11:52 AM
umm....are you Jimmy Dolan's cousin or something?


Isiah is running the show, not Dolan. Dolan gets a say in CERTAIN things, but not decisions like who to sign this summer. If he approved trading Patrick friggin Ewing, I also don't see trading Marbury an obstacle (if that's where Isiah is headed). For the last time, a big nay on Kwame and Stro if our goal is to make the playoffs with Marbury this year...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Who will you rather have Stromile Swift or Jerome James

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