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oohah
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7/10/2005  11:33 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kurt_thomas/?nav=page

Kurt Thomas has been a very solid player in the NBA once he got over his early injury problems. He was good for us, but he never should be the #1 Big man on both ends of the court for any team that hopes to win.

He has been set free... in Phoenix, he will clean up on pick and rolls with Nash, benefit from Amare Stoudamire's being triple teamed with open J's right in his range and easy putbacks because there won't be 2 bodies on him. And on the break he'll usually be the last man down the court and Nash will hit him for an easy 15 footer when he can't just throw it up in the air and let Amare or Marion Cram it.

And on defense in order to spare Amare foul trouble, he'll probably always take the hardest matchup or a center that he is outsized by. But that what he did all the time he was here anyway. (except for the cup of coffee he had with Ewing.)

I predict about 18 points 10 rebounds with 50% or better field goal percentge for Kurt next year and possible all star consideration. Nobody should be upset about this as a Knicks fan. Phoenix is a statistics-producing machine and Kurt can hang. (Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior.)

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7/10/2005  11:36 PM
18 and 10 is like Carlos Boozer numbers and better. That's simply not happening, Steve Nash or not...


I see something like 12 and 10 being more realistic.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  11:42 PM
Well I am just predicting, but I think he will get a lot of minutes. He's already done 14-9 in 01-02, and he did 11.5-10.5 this past season. I think he can't help but raise his scoring average with Phoenix, and maybe his rebounding average too. There is so much more offense to go around in Phoenix with the style they play that it inflates stats.

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7/10/2005  11:42 PM
I could see 15 and 11 for Kurt. 18ppg would be a lot...but, you're right, he's going to put up great numbers for PHO. He was never in the right position in New York. He should've been starting next to an offensive big man and complementing him, and he never had that. Steph was good for him, great for him, actually, but Kurt will be free in PHO.

Though, Amare and Nash run the pick and roll a lot, there will be plenty of scraps for Kurt. He'll get Q's shots (from slightly closer in) and shoot a higher percentage.
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7/10/2005  11:46 PM
No way, Kurt is going to be very mediocre in PHX with his nonchalant shuffling up and down the court--he can't run worth a sh!t and plays a slow motion style of offense. He's doesn't fit in at all unless they just want him to rebound and play some D, but he's not going to get great stats doing it. Kurt just doesn't fit with a running team period.

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/10/2005 23:49:54]
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7/10/2005  11:59 PM
i believe he'll play well there due to the things you said, but not 18/10 good. bare in mind there is alot of offense in phoenix, and kt won't by any means be the 2nd, or even 3rd option. he will get points though, maybe in the 12/11 range at best. the main reason kt is there is to take up some space, and defend the other center or big bodied pf. he fits the team well. Q fits our team well.
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7/11/2005  12:00 AM
KT gets 10 and 7 at best next year, you can take that to the bank.
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7/11/2005  12:07 AM
No way, Kurt is going to be very mediocre in PHX with his nonchalant shuffling up and down the court--he can't run worth a sh!t and plays a slow motion style of offense. He's doesn't fit in at all unless they just want him to rebound and play some D, but he's not going to get great stats doing it. Kurt just doesn't fit with a running team period.

I think that Phoenix will 'slow down' a little bit and play some more half court, especially with the addition of KT, though they say it will make them faster: http://www.nba.com/suns/news/tribune_050702.html I think this is BS but maybe it will make them faster specifically on an end-court inbounds play.
i believe he'll play well there due to the things you said, but not 18/10 good. bare in mind there is alot of offense in phoenix, and kt won't by any means be the 2nd, or even 3rd option. he will get points though, maybe in the 12/11 range at best. the main reason kt is there is to take up some space, and defend the other center or big bodied pf. he fits the team well. Q fits our team well.

We'll see on his stats--he is farther down the food chain than he's been in a while, but anyway you look at it, offense will probably be much easier on him than any time in his career.

I like Q, better than JC actually, and we need a 2 guard with some meat on him. I am certainly not saying it is a bad trade for. It's just most beneficial for KT. (And the longevity of his career at this point.) He is kind of like Nazr getting to play with Duncan, it's a lot more fun when you have a dominant big man.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07/11/2005 00:08:41]
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7/11/2005  12:09 AM
Posted by roblackman:

KT gets 10 and 7 at best next year, you can take that to the bank.

pfft. ridiculous.
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7/11/2005  12:11 AM
KT turns 33 this year and is not going to get any better. Look at his career stats...there is nothing there to suggest a break out season by any means nor an improvement on his past seasons with the Knicks where he was featured as a scorer. Knicks got a steal in this trade, I can't believe somebody wanted KT so badly.

When you have Nash, JJ, Marion, and Stoudamire where does KT fit in statistically? He doesn't.

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/11/2005 00:16:38]

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/11/2005 00:17:50]
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7/11/2005  12:15 AM
If Kurt plays 30 mpg in the west where PFs like Brand aren't even good enough to be all-stars, I could see him averaging about 10 and 7 while giving up about 15/9 per 30 min.
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7/11/2005  12:24 AM
KT turns 33 this year and is not going to get any better. Look at his career stats...there is nothing there to suggest a break out season by any means nor an improvement on his past seasons with the Knicks where he was featured as a scorer. Knicks got a steal in this trade, I can't believe somebody wanted KT so badly.

He won't get BETTER but that doesn't mean he won't have BETTER STATS. There is less than nothing to suggest that his numbers will get WORSE when he is joining one of the highest-scoring teams in basketball with one of the pre-eminent point guards in the game. (I still think Jason Kidd is better and if Nash got MVP the J Kidd got shafted.)

If you saw how San Antonio negated Phoenix in the conference finals you would understand why they need a player like Thomas to help out Stoudamire. You need to be able to play half court to win.
If Kurt plays 30 mpg in the west where PFs like Brand aren't even good enough to be all-stars, I could see him averaging about 10 and 7 while giving up about 15/9 per 30 min.

??? I don't get it. In any case, the power forward situation in the West has cooled down a little bit. I can't see how anyone can think KT's rebounds won't stay around the same or increase, that is the reason he was brought to Phoenix.

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7/11/2005  12:27 AM

I can't see how anyone can think KT's rebounds won't stay around the same or increase, that is the reason he was brought to Phoenix.

oohah

Ummm, maybe because Marion and Amare get 20+ a game between them...
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7/11/2005  12:28 AM
oohah...the bizarro-diderotn?!?!!?!?
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7/11/2005  12:33 AM
I think he'll probaby spend 20+ games on the injured list.
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7/11/2005  12:37 AM
Posted by oohah:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kurt_thomas/?nav=page

Kurt Thomas has been a very solid player in the NBA once he got over his early injury problems. He was good for us, but he never should be the #1 Big man on both ends of the court for any team that hopes to win.

He has been set free... in Phoenix, he will clean up on pick and rolls with Nash, benefit from Amare Stoudamire's being triple teamed with open J's right in his range and easy putbacks because there won't be 2 bodies on him. And on the break he'll usually be the last man down the court and Nash will hit him for an easy 15 footer when he can't just throw it up in the air and let Amare or Marion Cram it.

And on defense in order to spare Amare foul trouble, he'll probably always take the hardest matchup or a center that he is outsized by. But that what he did all the time he was here anyway. (except for the cup of coffee he had with Ewing.)

I predict about 18 points 10 rebounds with 50% or better field goal percentge for Kurt next year and possible all star consideration. Nobody should be upset about this as a Knicks fan. Phoenix is a statistics-producing machine and Kurt can hang. (Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior.)

You heard it here first. (Maybe)

oohah

good for him... still thrilled hes gone.. next.
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7/11/2005  12:41 AM
"Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior."

Now the PHX fans can listen to that fact repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER ...like he is a rookie just out of college.
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7/11/2005  12:41 AM
Posted by roblackman:

"Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior."

Now the PHX fans can listen to that fact repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER ...like he is a rookie just out of college.


haha exactly... heard that every damn game!
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7/11/2005  12:43 AM
Ummm, maybe because Marion and Amare get 20+ a game between them...

They did (And still might), but they did not have Kurt Thomas doing the dirty work for them last year. If anything I think Marion's rebound stats may go down slightly. That's Kurt's job to back up Amare on the boards...roam free Shawn!
oohah...the bizarro-diderotn?!?!!?!?

Why,does diderotn have very poor basketball prediction skillz?? Why are you breakin' on him like that?
I think he'll probaby spend 20+ games on the injured list.

He might, but I think it is more likely he will be less beat up this season.

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Another reason his scoring might go up:

Every other player on the starting 5 commands a double team in one way or another: Stoudamire, Nash, Marion, even Joe Johnson who I think is over rated and not as good as Q. KT's man will usually be the one doubling teaming on the other forwards. If phoenix' front line are not greedy as they have proven they aren't this equals lots of easy shots for KT.

oohah



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7/11/2005  12:47 AM
I think 18 is too high a number for Kurt. If the point is that here he had to be the best big man and there he wont be, I think thats a valid point to say that he wont have such a great scoring year. He was one of the main points this season for us, he won't be that next season. Rebounds? Probably around 10 because thats what tye will demand him the most, but I don't see him having such a great scoring season...
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