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Killa4luv
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7/10/2005  3:23 PM
No one has really mentioned him at all, and he is a pretty good big who is only 26-7 years old. He definitely could help us alot!! And we could slide Frye over to the 4.

2 ways to get him that I would do are:

Penny + Sweets
for
Magloire and PJ

or
Tim Thomas
Sweets
for
Mogloire and PJ


I'd prefer the first trade but, the second one makes more sense for NO. Id consider it and probably do it with some kind of pick coming our way. I like sweets and I think TT will help us next year, but we need a center, and he would help us out alot.
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7/10/2005  3:31 PM
I've been one of Sweetney's biggest supporters and I'm not a huge fan of Magloire, but that's still a trade I'd do. Brown is a pretty quality player to add in there with Jamaal and it puts it over the top for me. Essentially you have two frontcourt players capable of giving you a quality 30 mpg each. Magloire was a great shotblocker at Kentucky and I wonder why he hasn't been very good in the NBA, but at least both he and Brown provide and imposing presence inside.

I feel like the Hornets could get more quality talent back from some other teams though. Guess it depends on how much salary they want to clear...
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7/10/2005  3:33 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

No one has really mentioned him at all, and he is a pretty good big who is only 26-7 years old. He definitely could help us alot!! And we could slide Frye over to the 4.

2 ways to get him that I would do are:

Penny + Sweets
for
Magloire and PJ

or
Tim Thomas
Sweets
for
Mogloire and PJ


I'd prefer the first trade but, the second one makes more sense for NO. Id consider it and probably do it with some kind of pick coming our way. I like sweets and I think TT will help us next year, but we need a center, and he would help us out alot.


You're def. not the first to consider Maggs as a serious option. Problem is, N.O. could probably get a better offer. If anything, it would have to be Timmy/Penny, Sweets, and a Future 1st for PJ and Magloire. They get the pick, not us.

That's the type of addition that would make me excited about next season, b/c Magloire can bang with the best of them. I think after that, trading Marbury is a moot point. Having a starting lineup of Magloire, _____, Timmy/Ariza, Q, and Marbury is solid. PJ can still play, and would be a great backup 5 b/c he plays D.

Question is, does Isiah push for that, knowing Magloire isn't as athletic as Stro or Kwame? Better question is - is he stupid enough to pass up on Magloire?

If Magloire truly is on the block like reported, we need to make an offer similar to the one I mentioned above. It's a little lopsided in favor of N.O., but at this point, beggers can't be choosers.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/10/2005 15:34:49]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  3:37 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

You're def. not the first to consider Maggs as a serious option. Problem is, N.O. could probably get a better offer. If anything, it would have to be Timmy/Penny, Sweets, and a Future 1st for PJ and Magloire. They get the pick, not us.

That's the type of addition that would make me excited about next season, b/c Magloire can bang with the best of them. I think after that, trading Marbury is a moot point. Having a starting lineup of Magloire, _____, Timmy/Ariza, Q, and Marbury is solid. PJ can still play, and would be a great backup 5 b/c he plays D.

Question is, does Isiah push for that, knowing Magloire isn't as athletic as Stro or Kwame? Better question is - is he stupid enough to pass up on Magloire?

If Magloire truly is on the block like reported, we need to make an offer similar to the one I mentioned above. It's a little lopsided in favor of N.O., but at this point, beggers can't be choosers.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/10/2005 15:34:49]
Timmy and Penny CANNOT be traded to the hornets for Magloire and Pj the slaries don't match and are not even close. NO doesnt have any bad contracts to throw in so the deal woul have to be Tim-Sweets and SAs #1 next year, thats probably thee best we could and should do.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/10/2005 15:38:11]
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7/10/2005  3:41 PM
Magliore is 10x the player Mohammed was in college and is 2x the player he is in the NBA. Much more polished in so many levels.

When healthy, he has elevated himself to the top 5-10 range of centers in the NBA and would be a better long term option at center than most of the guys previously mentioned. It wouldn't be easy getting him--- though who knows, if they're rebuilding, they might be interested in dumping him off for TT or Penny cap room.

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7/10/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Timmy and Penny CANNOT be traded to the hornets for Magloire and Pj the slaries don't match and are not even close. NO doesnt have any bad contracts to throw in so the deal woul have to be Tim-Sweets and SAs #1 next year, thats probably thee best we could and should do.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/10/2005 15:38:11]

Dude, you should probably learn to read better. I said Penny/Timmy....meaning Penny OR Timmy. I KNOW the salaries wouldn't match, but that's besides the point b/c N.O. could, if they wanted, take on extra salary. They have TONS of cap space.

That said, that wasn't what I wrote. The deal I'd see happening is Penny/Timmy (PENNY OR TIMMY), Sweetney, and a Future 1st...

Btw, I'd follow that by waiving Malik Rose, so as to balance the PF position.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  4:00 PM
I may be in the minority, but I'd like to keep TT atleast until the trading deadline.
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7/10/2005  4:21 PM
magloire and pj would give us a tough frontcourt that would fit PERFECTLY with our 1-2 and 3 spots.

ONLY problem is that there would be absolutely no type of scoring coming from those spots so that may hurt in the playoffs but otherwise, those two are perfect complements.
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7/10/2005  4:27 PM
i remember like 3-4 months ago, wishing Isiah would go strong after Maggs. And he still may, only we haven't heard ANYTHING regarding that. Is Isiah bright enough to negotiate with N.O. and not let anything leak out? Not sure. But if we could make that sorta deal, we'd be a REAL playoff contender, not some half-ass, mediocre team based on potential...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  4:33 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

i remember like 3-4 months ago, wishing Isiah would go strong after Maggs. And he still may, only we haven't heard ANYTHING regarding that. Is Isiah bright enough to negotiate with N.O. and not let anything leak out? Not sure. But if we could make that sorta deal, we'd be a REAL playoff contender, not some half-ass, mediocre team based on potential...

i will say this - that kurt/Q deal came OUT OF NOWHERE. it was leaked, and leaked ON PURPOSE. at the end of the day, we have no clue what deals are being discussed and we can not go by what we read in the papers by "eastern conference execs" b/c it's all crap. the only deal that was publicized since isiah came here, and was actually done, was the craw deal and that's b/c it was already a DONE deal and already agreed upon - it just took a month to get all the specifics done.
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7/10/2005  4:36 PM
that said, I hope Kwame isn't Isiah's "savior."
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  5:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

magloire and pj would give us a tough frontcourt that would fit PERFECTLY with our 1-2 and 3 spots.

ONLY problem is that there would be absolutely no type of scoring coming from those spots so that may hurt in the playoffs but otherwise, those two are perfect complements.
I think we'd get solid scoring contributions from them.

PJ can bang that KT jumper, although probably not as often as Kurt and Magloire will gice us Nazzy numbers or better. I think it would be great, Magloire is relatively young and a real solid center who could hold it dowwn for a couple of years. the PF situation would have to improve, but that is the position it is easiest to improve, there are 6 million PF's in the universe.
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7/10/2005  5:08 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Timmy and Penny CANNOT be traded to the hornets for Magloire and Pj the slaries don't match and are not even close. NO doesnt have any bad contracts to throw in so the deal woul have to be Tim-Sweets and SAs #1 next year, thats probably thee best we could and should do.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/10/2005 15:38:11]

Dude, you should probably learn to read better. I said Penny/Timmy....meaning Penny OR Timmy. I KNOW the salaries wouldn't match, but that's besides the point b/c N.O. could, if they wanted, take on extra salary. They have TONS of cap space.

That said, that wasn't what I wrote. The deal I'd see happening is Penny/Timmy (PENNY OR TIMMY), Sweetney, and a Future 1st...

Btw, I'd follow that by waiving Malik Rose, so as to balance the PF position.
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7/10/2005  5:09 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I may be in the minority, but I'd like to keep TT atleast until the trading deadline.
I think that as well, but if we can get one of the better centers who is still fairly young, it must be done.
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7/10/2005  5:19 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Magliore is 10x the player Mohammed was in college and is 2x the player he is in the NBA. Much more polished in so many levels.

When healthy, he has elevated himself to the top 5-10 range of centers in the NBA and would be a better long term option at center than most of the guys previously mentioned. It wouldn't be easy getting him--- though who knows, if they're rebuilding, they might be interested in dumping him off for TT or Penny cap room.

Yeah, "when healthy"
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7/10/2005  5:34 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Timmy and Penny CANNOT be traded to the hornets for Magloire and Pj the slaries don't match and are not even close. NO doesnt have any bad contracts to throw in so the deal woul have to be Tim-Sweets and SAs #1 next year, thats probably thee best we could and should do.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/10/2005 15:38:11]

Dude, you should probably learn to read better. I said Penny/Timmy....meaning Penny OR Timmy. I KNOW the salaries wouldn't match, but that's besides the point b/c N.O. could, if they wanted, take on extra salary. They have TONS of cap space.

That said, that wasn't what I wrote. The deal I'd see happening is Penny/Timmy (PENNY OR TIMMY), Sweetney, and a Future 1st...

Btw, I'd follow that by waiving Malik Rose, so as to balance the PF position.
Is it me or do you need to relax just a bit? Jesus H. Christ pardon me for making a mistake. I don't know how I could have made such a huge mistake, and seeing how your logic is infallable I don't know what I was thinking making a mistake with one of your posts. My condolences, apologies, and all that ****, alright?


funny, i thought you were the one who jumped the gun just a bit.

but point taken. point is, Magloire MIGHT be attainable, and that much I know, whether it's for Penny, Timmy, Penny AND Timmy, or Jackie Butler and 20 Million in cash...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  2:35 AM
He played 82 games in each of the previous 3 seasons prior to the broken finger... so he's not so much of an injury risk. I suppose the biggest issue w/ him is that he's nearly reached his potential (tho being a borderline all-star is good enough for our squad, i suppose). Perhaps in a GREAT year for him, he'll reach 15ppg/11rpg... but what you see is more or less what you'll get.
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Posted by technomaster:

Magliore is 10x the player Mohammed was in college and is 2x the player he is in the NBA. Much more polished in so many levels.

Yeah, "when healthy"
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7/11/2005  3:59 AM
Big yes to Magloire
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7/11/2005  8:56 AM
Magloire might not wow anyone- he is solid, an improvement over Nazr.

But, the biggest effect that he would have would be allowing Frye to play the 4 and not the 5.

I won't mind having frye play the 5- but our team will be better if he is playing it for 10 mins a night instead of 40!

PJ, while he showed flashes last year, is about washed up already.

Sweets would probably have to be the key value player moved from us, along with a pick- if they're talking right now they're probably asking for Ariza too.
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7/11/2005  9:20 AM
I like Magloire. Well, I hate watching the Knicks play him because the way he flops for fouls, but I'd like that if he were a Knick. But, Magloire is not young. And he's not fast or athletic. And he's not a very good off the ball defender/shot blocker. He's a big improvement over what we have. Maybe even big enough to get us into the playoffs. But he's unlikely to move us toward a championship. Probably delay that.

So I wouldn't trade for him now unless the asking price was very cheap.

If the team really comes together in the first half and looks like it could, with a player or two and a bit of luck, make a serious run come playoff time, then I'd be thrilled to pick up Magloire or another player like him. This doesn't seem too likely a scenario today.
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