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djsunyc
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7/9/2005  3:04 AM
he finished with 12 and 10 i believe.

here's some posts from lakers fans in attendance:
As to be expected Bynum seemed like he didn't quite have as much confidense as the others especially at first. He tended to wait and react rather than initiate as much as the others. I can say that he showed flashes of that athleticism you are talking about. The best thing to say is it's too early to tell. The times where I thought he might be considered sluggish, he was probably a deer in the headlights kind of thing. Once he gets the confidense to just flat out bring it then he'll be ready to start. Right now he's just figuring out what this is all about and he ended up holding his own at the end.
just got back from the game, even though bynum didn't dominate the game he did ok for a rookie, an extremely fresh rookie. when the guards ACTUALLY gave him the ball he finished about 50percent of the time, but remember, he barely got the ball. but on thing that was really impressive...THE KID KNOWS HOW TO ESTABLISH POSSITION BELOW AND HAS 'GREAT FOOTWORK' already!!! the fundementals are ALREADY THERE, it will just take some time for him to actually finish stronger. overall, for his first game.....it wasn't the highlight of the night, but he sure ISN'T A BUST AT ALL! PERIOD
also needs to work on his tuffness and rebounding though, that will come in time. HE DID ESTABLISH POSSITION, the lanes were always cluttered for him to get the ball MOST OF THE TIME. just blame that on working on the triangle the first time which goes out to all players. cause if u look at the stats peeps were making offensive fouls all over the place

rough box score:

Conroy - 0
Parker - 12
Green - 11
Powell - 14
Bobbitt - 3
Bynum - 10, 9 boards, 4 offensive
Sasha - 2
Sandrin - 0
Wafer - 12, 4 rebounds, 3 assists
Douthit - 8, 4 boards
Harvey - 3
Turiaf - 10, 2 boards both offensive

Griz
Burks - 0
Frazier - 0
Roberson - 13
Emmett - 6
Warrick - 16, 12 boards, 3 offensive
Miller - 1
Jones - 18
Winston - 4
Marshall - 14
Erwin - 0
Friend - 6
Roberts - 15


wow - warrick - monster game on the boards.
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7/9/2005  9:45 AM
17yrs old and puts up 12 & 10! LOL!

sure he's still a little raw but like Briggs says you can't teach size and skill like that. Lakers have their championship calibur Center of the future to play next alongside Kobe who's still young for years to come!

I've reached a state of depression!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/09/2005 09:46:22]
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7/9/2005  9:52 AM
"Lakers’ first-round draft pick Andrew Bynum started and ended up with 12 points, nine rebounds, and two blocked shots in 30 minutes."

http://www.summerproleague.com/press_room.htm

Against those tough summer Grizzlies...
And the reply is...a post that makes sense (still waiting)
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7/9/2005  9:57 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I've reached a state of depression!
U were already at a state of depression. This is not helping any. BTW: AIM Please
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7/9/2005  10:35 AM
its a little early to crown him Shaq!

This is summer league.

Though, the fact he grabbed more boards than frye is a bit interesting...
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7/9/2005  10:40 AM
Go Frye go!

All Bynum lovers can go rent Jack Nicholson movies and renew their vows of devotion to Kobe.

The kid's a Laker and that means I'd be happy to have my team meet his team on any court any time. Channing will teach the doughy slug how the game is played.

I'm having a basketball version of xenophobia.
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7/9/2005  10:49 AM
[quote]
Posted by franco12:

its a little early to crown him Shaq!

This is summer league.

Though, the fact he grabbed more boards than frye is a bit interesting...


I think that a lot of Laker fans expect *Shaq* right now. Thats who they think he is, who they are comparing him too, and he's not Shaq, nobody is Shaq except Shaq. He's got a great chance at being a real franchise C who will be more than just a power dunker. Over the next two years as his body matures and strengthens, and he gets a good deal of game flow, he's going to be hard to handle because Shaq will be gone and he will be the only 7-1/7-2 foot nearly 300 pound guy to poccess the athletiscm agility and mobility with skills that differentiates players.
I have to think that the kid was ****ting his pants just a little, I mean at 17 and to be in such a spotlight in LA won't be easy. But like I said, I think he should be able to contribute this year--increase his minutes next year and start in YR 3. He's to big and skilled not to be able to contribute now, even at 10 minute clips.
I think one thing is he will be a league leader in rebounding a few times. I could tell right off the bat when i saw him because of his tremendous length and hands. Usually big guys dont have the agility to be great rebounders, but this kid has the potential to pull down 13-14 per game in his prime for sure along with 2-3 blocks
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7/9/2005  11:15 AM
what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/9/2005  11:21 AM
Posted by tkf:

what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...


jerome james showed that he has moves when it came time to earn a contract twice. The problem is he loafs around the rest of the time and makes Dampier's work ethic look like Duncan's. James could average a double-double if he wanted. It is unfair to lump the 17yr old Bynum in with James.
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7/9/2005  11:23 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by tkf:

what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...


jerome james showed that he has moves when it came time to earn a contract twice. The problem is he loafs around the rest of the time and makes Dampier's work ethic look like Duncan's. James could average a double-double if he wanted. It is unfair to lump the 17yr old Bynum in with James.

I am not lumping him anywhere, just asking a question, I mean this kid was overweight not too long ago, and the lure of the NBA was enough to get him to shed pounds I am sure. Not to call into question his motives for losing the weight, but since we are talking about work ethic, I thought it might be interesting....
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7/9/2005  11:27 AM
Posted by tkf:

what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...

No TKF, what you saw at the Mcdonalds game and what he is now are two different specimens. He's actually very skinny right now, even Mitch Kupchak said he was to skinny right now ans that he needed to mature into the 290s and get stronger up top over time. Sounds weird to say a guy weighs 270+ and hes skinny but that what he is, hes just has a huge frame. When he lost that weight, his mobility and agility+jumping ability all improved dramtically and he is quite athletic for a guy that size. I wouldnt have drafted what I saw at the mCD game 8 or 10,, maybe 25 or so. But what I saw in person when he was in shape I wouldve picked vERY high, like I said, oyher than Bogut, I think that I wouldve picked him second.
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7/9/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...

No TKF, what you saw at the Mcdonalds game and what he is now are two different specimens. He's actually very skinny right now, even Mitch Kupchak said he was to skinny right now ans that he needed to mature into the 290s and get stronger up top over time. Sounds weird to say a guy weighs 270+ and hes skinny but that what he is, hes just has a huge frame. When he lost that weight, his mobility and agility+jumping ability all improved dramtically and he is quite athletic for a guy that size. I wouldnt have drafted what I saw at the mCD game 8 or 10,, maybe 25 or so. But what I saw in person when he was in shape I wouldve picked vERY high, like I said, oyher than Bogut, I think that I wouldve picked him second.

Maybe Briggs, only time will tell, I am just suprised that if this kid was such a can't miss with his size and athleticism, I wonder why he didn't go higher, I mean a lot of teams need centers. Do you think that a lot of GM's are just scared off by big guys who don't either A) have that freakish type athleticism like amare stoudmire or B) have a good skill set and overall game like Bogut and Frye. Maybe bynum falls somewhere in the middle, you know average athleticism and average skills but good size and very young? again who knows...
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7/9/2005  1:45 PM
http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_C_lakers_09.16e3d4.html
Phil Jackson comments
... We think this kid, potentially, the sky is the limit."

Jackson said Bynum, a 7-foot, 275-pounder, has a big wing span, broad shoulders and is comfortable with his back to the basket.

"And we don't know when he's going to stop growing, whether he's going to be 7-2 or whatever he's going to be," Jackson said. "But we do know this: that at 17 years old, he's got a lot of room and a lot of space to develop."

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7/9/2005  2:02 PM
Amare fell to 9. Teams are wary of the HS kids, especially after cant miss players like Curry, Chandler and Kwame have struggled to contribute after 3-4 years in the league. Even older guys take time to adjust to the league. Jamal Magloire had a pretty slow first couple of years but by years 4-5 he became on the leagues better centers and an all star. You can look at Bynum vs. Frye till the cows come home and for every example there is a success story and a flop as well. Only time will tell.

Hopefully we wont have to debate this for the next 4 years. Its done.. I would have preffered Bynum myself but we have Frye and he's still a good player. I hope over the next couple of years he grows into a great player.
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7/9/2005  2:05 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

17yrs old and puts up 12 & 10! LOL!

sure he's still a little raw but like Briggs says you can't teach size and skill like that. Lakers have their championship calibur Center of the future to play next alongside Kobe who's still young for years to come!

I've reached a state of depression!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/09/2005 09:46:22]

Its sad but I think we are losing you... Please, come back!
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7/9/2005  2:07 PM
Frye will be playing minutes. Bynum will be on the bench. Will you guys ever factor that in to your equation? Potential means nothing in the next two years if it isn't realized. This is the summer league.. where the big men, aren't really that big.. and the guards get their own long rebounds.
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7/9/2005  2:09 PM
Briggs, we all know putting tons of pressure on a high school kid in a major media market has never back-fired before, right? I'm sure Bynum will be fine with the Shaq comparisons. I'm sure the Lakers will be extremely patient with him, just as Knicks fans would. Just as Knicks fans have been patient and haven't overreacted to their own summer league results...


Also, you mention Bynum like he's the only young big center. Why? You have consistantly neglected to mention Greg Oden. Oden is projected as a legit superstar. You were talking about Bogut as a Tim Duncan level superstar.

The fact is, putting up 12 and 9 in Summer League game means nothing. It means just as little as Outlaw's 32 pts, Qyntel Woods' 44pts, Jerome Beasley 21pts, 9rebs... it's all pretty meaningless. Yeah, you can get an idea of what a guy can do by watching how he plays, but the raw stats are meaningless at this point. The games are almost completely unstructured.

Eh, I'm tired of talking about Bynum. Let's just say I think he has about as much of a chance in LA as coach Rudy T did last year. Good luck to him.

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7/9/2005  2:12 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Briggs, we all know putting tons of pressure on a high school kid in a major media market has never back-fired before, right? I'm sure Bynum will be fine with the Shaq comparisons. I'm sure the Lakers will be extremely patient with him, just as Knicks fans would. Just as Knicks fans have been patient and haven't overreacted to their own summer league results...


Also, you mention Bynum like he's the only young big center. Why? You have consistantly neglected to mention Greg Oden. Oden is projected as a legit superstar. You were talking about Bogut as a Tim Duncan level superstar.

The fact is, putting up 12 and 9 in Summer League game means nothing. It means just as little as Outlaw's 32 pts, Qyntel Woods' 44pts, Jerome Beasley 21pts, 9rebs... it's all pretty meaningless. Yeah, you can get an idea of what a guy can do by watching how he plays, but the raw stats are meaningless at this point. The games are almost completely unstructured.

Eh, I'm tired of talking about Bynum. Let's just say I think he has about as much of a chance in LA as coach Rudy T did last year. Good luck to him.

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7/9/2005  5:36 PM
sometimes i wonder who all has played oraganized basketball in this forum.

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7/9/2005  5:41 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

what ever happened to Bynum just being the next jerome James.. really I don't see this kid being even as athletic as jerome james, yet his ceiling is supposed to be that of a all time great? WOW...

No TKF, what you saw at the Mcdonalds game and what he is now are two different specimens. He's actually very skinny right now, even Mitch Kupchak said he was to skinny right now ans that he needed to mature into the 290s and get stronger up top over time. Sounds weird to say a guy weighs 270+ and hes skinny but that what he is, hes just has a huge frame. When he lost that weight, his mobility and agility+jumping ability all improved dramtically and he is quite athletic for a guy that size. I wouldnt have drafted what I saw at the mCD game 8 or 10,, maybe 25 or so. But what I saw in person when he was in shape I wouldve picked vERY high, like I said, oyher than Bogut, I think that I wouldve picked him second.

Maybe Briggs, only time will tell, I am just suprised that if this kid was such a can't miss with his size and athleticism, I wonder why he didn't go higher, I mean a lot of teams need centers. Do you think that a lot of GM's are just scared off by big guys who don't either A) have that freakish type athleticism like amare stoudmire or B) have a good skill set and overall game like Bogut and Frye. Maybe bynum falls somewhere in the middle, you know average athleticism and average skills but good size and very young? again who knows...

it's hurts me to read anything you post. you are going to have to show me your college degree---i don't believe you.
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