With Michael Redd going back to MIL, Cleveland is looking hard at Larry Hughes - an unrestricted free agent who thinks Washington is lowballing him.

Isiah covets Kwame. Washington might be in need of a combo guard to play off Arenas. The Knicks have a lot of talented combo guards right now, and Crawford makes a reasonable salary, close to what Kwame's starting salary would be. I think it's a possibility.

Personally, I would hate this trade, but it would make the team a lot bigger. If Zeke feels like the Marbury and Craw experiment isn't working and he really is commited to Marbury (which I dont necessarily believe), then it's clear Craw has some trade value with his reasonable contract.

Another possibility this opens up is, if Cleveland strikes out in their search for a two guard, and they will if Larry Hughes leaves - would they trade Drew Gooden and maybe an Ira Newble for something like Craw and Malik Rose? They have the cap room to absorb the extra money and it looks like they won't be signing a big money two guard - UNLESS they get Hughes, in which case, again, Washington is suddenly in the market for a two.

Posted by crzymdups:

With Michael Redd going back to MIL, Cleveland is looking hard at Larry Hughes - an unrestricted free agent who thinks Washington is lowballing him.

Isiah covets Kwame. Washington might be in need of a combo guard to play off Arenas. The Knicks have a lot of talented combo guards right now, and Crawford makes a reasonable salary, close to what Kwame's starting salary would be. I think it's a possibility.

Personally, I would hate this trade, but it would make the team a lot bigger. If Zeke feels like the Marbury and Craw experiment isn't working and he really is commited to Marbury (which I dont necessarily believe), then it's clear Craw has some trade value with his reasonable contract.

Another possibility this opens up is, if Cleveland strikes out in their search for a two guard, and they will if Larry Hughes leaves - would they trade Drew Gooden and maybe an Ira Newble for something like Craw and Malik Rose? They have the cap room to absorb the extra money and it looks like they won't be signing a big money two guard - UNLESS they get Hughes, in which case, again, Washington is suddenly in the market for a two.

If the Cleveland went through would you have them through in Desagana Diop?

I can really see this trade happening now with Hughes officially going to Cleveland.

Crawford for Kwame. I don't love this move, but if Nate is going to be THIS good, why the hell not?

Posted by crzymdups:

I can really see this trade happening now with Hughes officially going to Cleveland.

Crawford for Kwame. I don't love this move, but if Nate is going to be THIS good, why the hell not?

I agree; I'm not a huge Crawford fan. I don't mind trading him for a young big with upside now that we have Nate and Q

Posted by Allanfan20:

Damn man, you are about as fickle as it gets. Last Summer, you were leading the "Let's get Crawford!!!" parade. And don't tell me you weren't, b/c I remember having the most arguements about it with YOU.

Trading Crawford for Kwame Brown would NOT be a good trade to make. Kwame has not shown in anyway that he'll ever break out, while Crawford just needs to tone his game down a bit, and he'll be really good. I am actually one of the people in favor of putting Kwame in the NO THANKS CLUB, b/c he has shown nothing, and if your teams tells you to not even bother showing up to a playoff game, then that's flat out bad. If this kid has so much "Potential" they wouldn't have the guts to do something like that.

thats why you make them include Rose and make them include Etan & a 2007 1st rd pick. If they lose Hughes to Cleveland they will deperately need Crawford. The 1st round pick could turn out to be better than Jamal and who knows how could Kwame could be with a change of scenery and under Aguirre

Posted by Allanfan20:

Damn man, you are about as fickle as it gets. Last Summer, you were leading the "Let's get Crawford!!!" parade. And don't tell me you weren't, b/c I remember having the most arguements about it with YOU.

Trading Crawford for Kwame Brown would NOT be a good trade to make. Kwame has not shown in anyway that he'll ever break out, while Crawford just needs to tone his game down a bit, and he'll be really good. I am actually one of the people in favor of putting Kwame in the NO THANKS CLUB, b/c he has shown nothing, and if your teams tells you to not even bother showing up to a playoff game, then that's flat out bad. If this kid has so much "Potential" they wouldn't have the guts to do something like that.

this isn't about what I want, it's about what I think will happen. And are you going to deny that the talent level of this team has dramatically shifted in the last year? Last year we didn't have Nate, Q and we didn't Ariza could play. This is a different situation than last summer. I still think the Crawford deal was a good move, because we sure as hell couldn't get Kwame or anyone for Deke, Frank, Othella and change right now. This is a different situation...

Sweets + JYD for Kwame should do it.

Kwame isn't worth Crawford by any stretch of the imagination. This is not anything worth discussing.

Posted by s3231:

Well, Hughes is gone now so the Wizards will definitely be looking to replace him. This essentially means that they have to value even Kwame more now. I think Kwame can become an excellent player, but I'm not giving them Crawford at all if I'm Isiah. We would be overpaying by a decent margin.

what if we get back the Wizards #1 pick next year which could be in the 15-20 range. Isiah found Ariza at 43 and Nate at 21. I think he can find a great player in that range. Who knows what the 23yrs, 7ft 260LB athletic Kwame Brown becomes but its worth the risk! especially when Crawford and his 39% shooting will take away from Nate Robinson's impact and winning

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Posted by gunsnewing:

thats why you make them include Rose and make them include Etan & a 2007 1st rd pick. If they lose Hughes to Cleveland they will deperately need Crawford. The 1st round pick could turn out to be better than Jamal and who knows how could Kwame could be with a change of scenery and under Aguirre

what a joke. washington would not include Thomas just to unload Brown. keep dreaming

Agreed. It would be nice to get at least a number one pick and Kwame for Jamal Craw though. I think Craw is better than that, but his value will only go down if it becomes obvious we have a log jam and NEED to ship someone.

I think the real issue here is whether Zeke intends to start Marbury, Crawford and Q. If not, I don't think anyone of those three is going to be happy coming off the bench. In that case, I think Crawford goes to Washington for Kwame. That's the best fit.

You could offer Crawford to Memphis for Stromile - maybe West sees Crawford as a point guard to replace JWill or Earl Watson, but I don't know.

Wizards fans perspective:

My Larry & Kwame thoughts
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I definatly didnt want to see Larry go but now that he's gone, I think we should definatly keep Kwame. I dont think they got along all the way and I think that Kwame felt like he would never reach his potential with Larry there. Kwame can deal with Gil but Larry always made comments like he didnt care for Kwame to much.

Again, call me crazy but I think with Larry gone that Kwame could easily get 20 a game. Although I think its more likely that Ernie will trade him and also try to sign someone like Simmons.

I think Ernie wasnt comfertable giving Hughes that much money after the way he played against the Heat and the way he started hogging the ball on the breaks and missing open 3's. I think he would rather give lesser money to a guy who is more stable like Simmons and with a big body.

I would actually myself let Jarvis play the 2 and sign Rahim for the 4 and let Kwame play the 5 but I doubt it will happened. Still we should keep Kwame. Also dont be surprised if we do a deal with the Knicks for Kwame and maybe a lesser player for Sweet and Crawford. I hear the Knicks want to deal him because they signed Q and Nate Robinson
Re: My Larry & Kwame thoughts
Zards4evr Posted: Jul 08, 2005 11:31 AM Quote
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Yeah I definitely agree with you there, Jarvis really needs to step up in Hughes' spot, imo. But this time Jarvis really needs to start because I think he can be a even greater player when starting. And I also agree with you that we should keep Kwame Brown, and sign Bobby Simmons, this guy is great for us now, because we don't have Doug Collins to teach him discipline back then. We should sign Simmons. And I also agree with the NY deal, good points there:)



And Kwame for Sweets thoughts here http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=700&threadID=2023101&lastPostID=11594623

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/08/2005 15:14:30]