Im so tired of the Starbury bashing.

Why do we HAVE to trade Marbury? I remember years ago everyone wanted to trade Patrick Ewing. Trade Patrick Ewing. Then Pat Riley came in, and all of the sudden the talent around Patrick got better, we were winning and then you never heard it again.

Was it Stephans fault Sweetney didnt develop quicker?
Was it Stephans fault Houston had a career devastating injury?
Was it Stephans fault Tim Thomas had the worst year of his career because mentally he was more concerned with life?
Was it Stephans fault Craw got hurt and then we went on that losing spree?
Was it Stephans fault there is no viable, athletic big man to pass to?
Was it Stephs fault they took an ordinary guy at #8 instead of talent down the road?
Was it Stephs fault that we traded for Mo Taylor who is more useless than useless?
Was it Stephs fault nobody wants to coach a team that doesnt know its direction?
Was it Stephs fault that Isiah is doing a sort of better job than Layden, but thats not saying much?

You put Steph in the right program and he'll perform. He performed well with Amare wasnt injured that one year in Phoenix, he performed well after he was traded here. If hes in the right system, hes one of the best players in the league. I HOPE he gets one more year here, and instead we start Steph, Jamal and Q as 1, 2 and 3. If we could get an All-Star calibar big man at the 4, I dont see why this team couldnt do great.

And I do not want Dalembert, I do not want Brown and I do not want Stromile if it means trading Stephan.

Steph is not going anywhere. the media is trying to start rumors, because that is the only way to make money. Isiah has not said anything beside the comment that he made after the season. Isiah is building this team to fit his back court. Beware of the poisons that the media is spreading....

I would have never traded out of the position we were in for Steph in the first place, it just never made sense for me. This was a club that was dying for a complete rebuild and trading for Marbury at that time just made no sense. It's not anti Marbury to want to move him, it's just that some people feel by the time we get it together, he will be shot. If we atsrtee piecing things together in the 2004 draft and tanking out instead of trading for Marbury, that draft was quite awesome. Instead we started fooling around with the Vin bakers Nazr's Tim thomas's Malik Taylor etc.. and it ISNT working.

My bet is isiah just said we have to scrap it, and that means Marbury to. he tried something and it failed, now I think he gets his chance at the rebuilding phase. I hope he is right about frye, to me that much more imprtant than Marbury. Marbury is not the type f player that should be a lead piece in a championship. I see 0 evidence of someone like Marbury in the staring role of a championship team, and dont give me Isiah Thomas, because Isiah was better IMHO and he had a really good team that fit. the team we have doesnt.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I see 0 evidence of someone like Marbury in the staring role of a championship team, and dont give me Isiah Thomas, because Isiah was better IMHO and he had a really good team that fit. the team we have doesnt.

It should not be even allowed to compare Marbury to Isiah. True, Stephon has all the physical skills maybe even more than Zeke, but Zeke was a great leader. His "Bad Boys" would go through walls for him. Well, maybe not Dantley, but you get the point.

What scares me about Marbury being traded to the Sixers is that we end up with Chris Webber along with Dalembert. I can see a Marbury, TT for Webber, Dalembert and filler. This would truly be a nightmare.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I would have never traded out of the position we were in for Steph in the first place, it just never made sense for me. This was a club that was dying for a complete rebuild and trading for Marbury at that time just made no sense. It's not anti Marbury to want to move him, it's just that some people feel by the time we get it together, he will be shot. If we atsrtee piecing things together in the 2004 draft and tanking out instead of trading for Marbury, that draft was quite awesome. Instead we started fooling around with the Vin bakers Nazr's Tim thomas's Malik Taylor etc.. and it ISNT working.

My bet is isiah just said we have to scrap it, and that means Marbury to. he tried something and it failed, now I think he gets his chance at the rebuilding phase. I hope he is right about frye, to me that much more imprtant than Marbury. Marbury is not the type f player that should be a lead piece in a championship. I see 0 evidence of someone like Marbury in the staring role of a championship team, and dont give me Isiah Thomas, because Isiah was better IMHO and he had a really good team that fit. the team we have doesnt.

here's my take on the whole marbury situation:

i think a marbury to ny deal was in serious discussions with layden. he got fired and when isiah came in, this franchise was DEAD in the water. i think mills/dolan pressured him to make the move to wake this franchise up. it all made sense on paper - hometown kid, in his prime, making big $$$'s. from day one, everyone said this was isiah's signature move, his baby. isiah said all the right things. defended marbs to no end and took him under his wing. BUT if you look at it, his real pet project was crawford. he took 2 whole months last summer to get him. he was isiah's chosen one, not marbury. now, you can kind of tell he's distancing himself from marbs, especially after the whole "trade my mother" statement. so marbury getting moved would not shock me. seeing crawford move would DEFINITELY shock me.

but like fish said, you can't do it if what you're getting back is harrington. it has to expand and get more teams involved b/c the only thing we should be getting back from marbury is a young big.

Marbury will be making what? 21 million in three years when his contract balloons. TO ME, HE'S NOT WORTH THAT! If ATL wants him, I say "do it". I think that Isiah sees the possible deal with ATL as a route to becoming a major player for a big fish somewhere down the road.
Sure, I'd like Dalembert or Gadzuric instead, but logic tells me that won't happen.

lmao at people comparing Dalembert to Marbury. Is this even a fair trade???

and what exactly did the Knicks give up in that Marbury trade? a bunch of end of year contracts and some Euro players whose names everyone has forgotten

except for Briggs....I'm sure he still upset that Milo and Lampe aren't in NY uniforms. You had such high hopes for them......

Either way look around the league right now. If we arent getting Dalembert back than trading Marbury is waste right now IMO

I agree 100% Fish. If Marbury's trade value right now is such that a team is unwilling to trade their backup center for him, a player who in 4 years has had only 2 good months, then you know that now is the WRONG time to try to trade Marbury. This reminds me of the Vince Carter deal. Let's trade our star when his value is at an all time low.

I don't even want Marbury traded anyway (unless something really bad is wrong with his knee) because I think this team can be pretty good with him next season and much better the following season.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/06/2005 16:58:55]

YEAH!!!

I loved getting Marbs and I want him here until he dies.

I don't even care if he's the next Houston...He's the city and He is the knicks.

I have buddies from Brooklyn that would go to only Knicks Nets games and Knicks Timberwolves games and Nets Timberwolves games (no other games during the season) just so they can see Starbury from Coney Island play basketball.

And now I am a fan.

Marbury had an all star year...he was robbed of assists when Nazr used to flub the put back and get his own rebound and then put it in (Nazr rebound + 1 marbs assist 0)

He took it on the chin when we were losing and he guided the youngins.

I mean...what more could he have done...any other player would have lost their minds this last year (see Iverson every other year).

But not marbs...He took the knicks on his back and played more minutes than anybody else in the league.

Get off his back...trade Houston!!!!

I'm only willing to trade him if at the end of the day we have Garnett.