Frye CANNOT be a mistake pick. Frye HAS to live up to 75% of what their public expectations. Frye HAS to play 30+ minutes and HAS to put up numbers similar to what he did in school, as in 14-15 points 7-8 rebounds 1.5 blocks shooting 53-54%. Whatever coach they get HAS to be on board with giving Channing 30+ minutes, even if it costs us a game or two in the beginning.

Isiah has jumped in bed with this kid, and he has taken every Knick fan with him. There were multiple avenues we couldve went down, but this is the pass they have chosen and its PIVOTAL, PIVOTAL, PIVOTAL that it isnt a failure. The key to this season is Channing Frye, every Knick fan must understand it. I kind of feel what I know Im going to get with nate and Lee--this was a big move by Isiah, he has convulsed over this pick, obssessed over getting tghis player, saying he wouldve used pick 1 on him and I dont believe he was posturing, he believes it, and so going forward Frye becomes the most imprtant peice more so than anyone else he CANNOT fail or we have much bigger problems.

When you're 6'11 with the ability of Frye and someone like Marbury to get you the ball--it's really hard to fail unless you can't make a layup or dunk. I'm trying to see someone like Frye fail and I can't see how that would happen really given his size and talent and past success--unless he has no passion for the game which is not the case. I 'm not worried about Frye at all, the only question I have is will he be GREAT because I know he will be GOOD.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Frye CANNOT be a mistake pick. Frye HAS to live up to 75% of what their public expectations. Frye HAS to play 30+ minutes and HAS to put up numbers similar to what he did in school, as in 14-15 points 7-8 rebounds 1.5 blocks shooting 53-54%. Whatever coach they get HAS to be on board with giving Channing 30+ minutes, even if it costs us a game or two in the beginning.

Isiah has jumped in bed with this kid, and he has taken every Knick fan with him. There were multiple avenues we couldve went down, but this is the pass they have chosen and its PIVOTAL, PIVOTAL, PIVOTAL that it isnt a failure. The key to this season is Channing Frye, every Knick fan must understand it. I kind of feel what I know Im going to get with nate and Lee--this was a big move by Isiah, he has convulsed over this pick, obssessed over getting tghis player, saying he wouldve used pick 1 on him and I dont believe he was posturing, he believes it, and so going forward Frye becomes the most imprtant peice more so than anyone else he CANNOT fail or we have much bigger problems.

And when he does put up numbers like he did in school will you finally get off of his back?

Posted by crzymdups:

I'm glad we're not putting too much pressure on the kid or anything.

isiah said if he had pick 1 he wouldve taken frye, there is no more presure than hat. he has to perform at a high level, bottom line

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

I'm glad we're not putting too much pressure on the kid or anything.

isiah said if he had pick 1 he wouldve taken frye, there is no more presure than hat. he has to perform at a high level, bottom line

summer L starts soon... you cant tell who is gonna be good from summer L, but you can tell who is a pure flat out dud... i knew sweets would never be anything from his first summer L

briggs - you're the ONLY one i've seen putting this type of pressure on him. seriously, i haven't read or heard anything where they're saying this guy is the ANSWER at center. isiah said his goal was to get two big guys, not one.

so is frye expected to contribute? yup.

but is he expected to play 30 minutes and put up those kind of numbers right away? nope.

i'm not getting that sentiment from articles and people out there.

if you tell me 2 years from now, he's not a 14/10/2 center or close to it, then there may be some dissapointment but when did you care so much about what you think the general public expects?

i'm thinking this guy is going to give us a solid 20 mins a night this season. i expect nights of foul trouble and 8-10 mins of action and i expect nights of 12/8/2. anything more, to me, is icing.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

I'm glad we're not putting too much pressure on the kid or anything.

isiah said if he had pick 1 he wouldve taken frye, there is no more presure than hat. he has to perform at a high level, bottom line

I agree, that's why I'm surprised he said it.

Unlike you, I believe that Isiah picked Frye over Bynum or Green because he wanted a player who could contribute immediately. That is the mandate that Dolan has imposed on him.

[Edited by - Rich on 07/05/2005 01:35:24]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

I'm glad we're not putting too much pressure on the kid or anything.

isiah said if he had pick 1 he wouldve taken frye, there is no more presure than hat. he has to perform at a high level, bottom line

But who is saying that Bogut is gonna be a GREAT player? No one. At best, he'll be a solid big man. All that is asked of Frye is to be solid OVER HIS CAREER.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

I'm glad we're not putting too much pressure on the kid or anything.

isiah said if he had pick 1 he wouldve taken frye, there is no more presure than hat. he has to perform at a high level, bottom line

But who is saying that Bogut is gonna be a GREAT player? No one. At best, he'll be a solid big man. All that is asked of Frye is to be solid OVER HIS CAREER.

Oh Ill say Bogut is going to be great. Bogut is another Duncan type of player. Not in block shots, but in scoring rebounds assists and impact on the team he plays on. I fully expect Bogut to be close to OR a 20-10 player next year.

For Frye to have a successful season=14-15 points 8 rebounds 50%+FG 1.5 blocks and play good defense --I dont think hes better than Bogut, but he bypassed a LOT of what I think are better players and he set the bar high. Im putting out reasonable numbers for a guy that his boss said shouldve been pick 1. Really pick 1 for a 4 year CBB FC players is 20-10 or close to it.

So this is an acceptable level of play---hustling, disruptive defense, not getting bullied and losing position, 14-15 pts 7-8 reb 1.5 blcks and shooting 52+% in 30+ minutes. If you are boasting that a player is a number 1 pick on a team with a frail frontline, that player better get big minutes.

He's a special, high character kid who blew the doors of the Knicks at his workout.

Posted by Killa4luv:

BRIGGS

14/7.5/1.5?
so basically you think Frye should be putting up numbers that will have him on the all-star team, or close to it in his rookie season?

Thats ridiculous. What other player would you make a statement like that about?
Bogut?
Granger?
Bynum?

You cannot set the bar that high in his rookie season if you think those numbers are more or less his ceiling, which you have stated on many occasions. If you expect Frye to be a 20 and 10 guy, those expectations could be reasonable........but if not, those #'s are totally and completely far-fetched. We now have a team where 3 guys avg. 15+ppg, and a rookie should step in and do that?

This is not the Atlanta Hawks, we're bad, but we're not that bad; dont set the bar so high that you doom him to fail. No one expects that out of him in his first season. No one.

I thought the reason we passed up on bynum, green, granger & graham was because Frye was ready step right in at center? he has to at least put up nesterovic type numbers 10 & 8 to justify picking him over those studs