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Allanfan20
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7/2/2005  11:51 AM
I am hearing all these things that we're going after Stromile Swift, Big Z, Kwame Brown, but why not at least give Dan Gadzurick a call? He's a real good shotblocker and his rebounding is going up every single season. He may be on the verge of becoming ohh, a 10 rebound, 3 block shots a game kind of player, b/c that's the steady improvement he has been showing lately. Yet, since Stephen A Smith is a freaking moron and bashes the guy saying he "Wont cut it" Isiah listens. How about this, stop going after guys people are desperate to get rid of, and go after someone who's freaking cheap, COULD be just as good as any of them (Besides the "Potential" Brown has) and fills a void in the middle. Offer him the MLE and see what happens.

Of course, he's probably not even on our radar.
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7/2/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I am hearing all these things that we're going after Stromile Swift, Big Z, Kwame Brown, but why not at least give Dan Gadzurick a call? He's a real good shotblocker and his rebounding is going up every single season. He may be on the verge of becoming ohh, a 10 rebound, 3 block shots a game kind of player, b/c that's the steady improvement he has been showing lately. Yet, since Stephen A Smith is a freaking moron and bashes the guy saying he "Wont cut it" Isiah listens. How about this, stop going after guys people are desperate to get rid of, and go after someone who's freaking cheap, COULD be just as good as any of them (Besides the "Potential" Brown has) and fills a void in the middle. Offer him the MLE and see what happens.

Of course, he's probably not even on our radar.

Of course the good news is that Gadz isn't even in the paper so that is prolly the guy we are gonna get.
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7/2/2005  12:04 PM
Gadz should definitely be one of our options. But is he a free agent or would we have to trade for him?
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7/2/2005  12:12 PM
there's a reason why he only got 27mins on a terrible Bucks frontline. Don't you think if he was any good he'd get a little more than 27mins!

all he will do is take up a roster spot. We need higher ceiling players especially since we drafted lower ceiling ones. You simply have to take the gamble on a guy like Kwame who could be huge in NY next to Frye.

or you can compliment Frye with a great athletic finisher like Wilcox or Swift

Gasz has no where near the skill and potential of those guys
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7/2/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

there's a reason why he only got 27mins on a terrible Bucks frontline. Don't you think if he was any good he'd get a little more than 27mins!

all he will do is take up a roster spot. We need higher ceiling players especially since we drafted lower ceiling ones. You simply have to take the gamble on a guy like Kwame who could be huge in NY next to Frye.

or you can compliment Frye with a great athletic finisher like Wilcox or Swift

Gasz has no where near the skill and potential of those guys

Kwame was told to stay away from his team!

Gadz might have only averaged 27, but he shows up to play- he's got heart and puts the effort in.

You look at a team like detroit- not the most talented group, but they are relentless and their effort is unmatched.

Sometimes winning is less about being the better, more skilled player, and really about the effort & wanting.
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7/2/2005  12:26 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by gunsnewing:

there's a reason why he only got 27mins on a terrible Bucks frontline. Don't you think if he was any good he'd get a little more than 27mins!

all he will do is take up a roster spot. We need higher ceiling players especially since we drafted lower ceiling ones. You simply have to take the gamble on a guy like Kwame who could be huge in NY next to Frye.

or you can compliment Frye with a great athletic finisher like Wilcox or Swift

Gasz has no where near the skill and potential of those guys

Kwame was told to stay away from his team!

Gadz might have only averaged 27, but he shows up to play- he's got heart and puts the effort in.

You look at a team like detroit- not the most talented group, but they are relentless and their effort is unmatched.

Sometimes winning is less about being the better, more skilled player, and really about the effort & wanting.

there's a reason why Milwaukee was the 6th worst team in the league. Obvisiouly what Gadzuric was doing in only 27mins wasn't enough
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7/2/2005  12:42 PM
Or how about an underdeveloped player shouldn't be relied upon as the best frontcourt player, or else you're team is bound to have a losing record. Kinda like how Kurt Thomas was relied on to be our best frontcourt player. Either that, or the Bucks don't know how to develop players. Watch, if Gadzurick signs with the Bucks this off season, and they make the playoffs, I promise Gadz will go down as one of the most underrated players in the league, and all the credit will go to Bogut and none to Gadz.
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7/2/2005  12:55 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Or how about an underdeveloped player shouldn't be relied upon as the best frontcourt player, or else you're team is bound to have a losing record. Kinda like how Kurt Thomas was relied on to be our best frontcourt player. Either that, or the Bucks don't know how to develop players. Watch, if Gadzurick signs with the Bucks this off season, and they make the playoffs, I promise Gadz will go down as one of the most underrated players in the league, and all the credit will go to Bogut and none to Gadz.

Hunter is still statistically better and will run with the team we have now.
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7/2/2005  1:22 PM
Gadzuric signed a QO, so it's very doubtful we can just use an MLE on him. They could wait two weeks and keep us frozen and match the last day. When a team signs a QO, then in most cases, they want compensation.

Hunter supposedly has huge interest from Dallas and many other clubs, its just the crazy market for bigs. Hes attractive in free agency like Swift because there is no barrier to sign. In this market for bigs, it is possible that Hunter gets a tad more than the MLE from a club with no C and cap space.
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7/2/2005  1:26 PM
Yup. He'd have to be a sign and trade.
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7/2/2005  1:26 PM
http://aol.nba.com/playerfile/dan_gadzuric/index.html?nav=page

He is not statistically better. They are both about the same. I would be happy if we signed either player. However, both players are about identical in terms of their games, except gadz is a better rebounder, no matter how you look at it.
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7/2/2005  1:46 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

http://aol.nba.com/playerfile/dan_gadzuric/index.html?nav=page

He is not statistically better. They are both about the same. I would be happy if we signed either player. However, both players are about identical in terms of their games, except gadz is a better rebounder, no matter how you look at it.

both players have no business being our #1 frontcourt acquisition. Now if we bring in Kwame, Swift or Wilcox too then its a different story
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7/2/2005  1:56 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I am hearing all these things that we're going after Stromile Swift, Big Z, Kwame Brown, but why not at least give Dan Gadzurick a call? He's a real good shotblocker and his rebounding is going up every single season. He may be on the verge of becoming ohh, a 10 rebound, 3 block shots a game kind of player, b/c that's the steady improvement he has been showing lately. Yet, since Stephen A Smith is a freaking moron and bashes the guy saying he "Wont cut it" Isiah listens. How about this, stop going after guys people are desperate to get rid of, and go after someone who's freaking cheap, COULD be just as good as any of them (Besides the "Potential" Brown has) and fills a void in the middle. Offer him the MLE and see what happens.

Of course, he's probably not even on our radar.
'Stephen A says he won't cut it so Isiah listens"? lol How do you know this? Last I checked Isiah was quoted as saying 'we are interested in anyone who has center next to their name"
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7/2/2005  2:04 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Allanfan20:

http://aol.nba.com/playerfile/dan_gadzuric/index.html?nav=page

He is not statistically better. They are both about the same. I would be happy if we signed either player. However, both players are about identical in terms of their games, except gadz is a better rebounder, no matter how you look at it.

both players have no business being our #1 frontcourt acquisition. Now if we bring in Kwame, Swift or Wilcox too then its a different story

Swift and Wilcox are POWER FOWARDS. We already have Malik, JYD, Lee, Sweetney, Mo T and Yes, even Channing Frye, cause he'sa tweener. Wilcox is promising, but he's also an idiot. I say stay away from him, especially with this new thing on how he got caught carrying a loaded gun in his car? No thanks to that. Swift is good, but he's also a PF and we don't need him that bad. I'd much rather take the guy that goes all out, in Gadz or Hunter anyway.
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7/2/2005  2:10 PM
why because they are 1in taller and less talented 20mins per game stiffs?

I didn't know that about Wilcox. That is pretty alarming! what a shame
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7/2/2005  2:16 PM
The reason Gadzuric plays only 27 mins per game is because he's got a very slight frame and plays all out for every minute he's out ther e(kind of like Camby back in the day). I think its more a preservative measure than anything. He's incredibly productive per minute and would be an excellent pickup.
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7/2/2005  5:45 PM
Hunter is NOT statistically superior to Gadzuric, nor are they about the same. Gadzuric is significantly better than Hunter statistically. Gadz has a great 18.5 PER, compared to Hunter's 15 PER. An 18.5 PER is getting close to borderline All-Star territory, whereas 15 is the league average.

Hunter is a better shotblocker-- Gadz is no slouch here, but Hunter is great-- and offensively they're about the same. The big difference is that Gadzuric just blows Hunter away on the glass. Gadzuric has a 22.2 rebound rate, meaning that when he's on the court he grabs 22.2% of all missed shots. Hunter's rebound rate is only half as good, at 11.6. To put there numbers in perspective, consider some players with rebound rates similar to Gadzuric's and Hunter's.

player - Rebound rate

Reggie Evans - 23.9
Dan Gadzuric - 22.2
Dikembe Mutombo - 20.5
Kevin Garnett - 20.3
Tyson Chandler - 19.8
Ben Wallace - 19.8
Tim Duncan - 19.4

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Austin Croshere - 12.2
Jason Kidd - 12.1
Josh Childress - 11.8
Steven Hunter - 11.6
Marc Jackson - 11.6
Darius Songaila - 11.5
Matt Harpring - 11.5

Would you rather have a great shotblocker who rebounds like Matt Harpring, or a very good shotblocker who rebounds better than Garnett, Ben Wallace, and Duncan?
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7/2/2005  8:23 PM
Gadzuric would be a great addition. I can't think of any big man who even remotely seems to be available that I'd rather add. After losing Kurt and Nazr, we need to add a rebounder.
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7/2/2005  8:31 PM
I don't know what it is they see in Kwame...I don't know much about Gadz, but I only know that when I saw him a couple of seasons ago, he was a very active body. At this point, I just don't want Kwame in N.Y. Zeke and all the newyorkers who are now asking to have him, will be the first to criticize the hell out of this kid later. Look, when you don't have it, you just don't. Forget about Kwame, focus on guys that are obedient and are role players. We need a team that thinks and plays as a team,,,not a bunch of individualists. The Spurs may have TD, but they think and play like a well oiled machine...They don't worry about who is the super-star or who is better. they just go out and play...same goes with Detroit...Stay away from Kwame....


Kwame was told to stay away from his team!

Gadz might have only averaged 27, but he shows up to play- he's got heart and puts the effort in.

You look at a team like detroit- not the most talented group, but they are relentless and their effort is unmatched.

Sometimes winning is less about being the better, more skilled player, and really about the effort & wanting.
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7/2/2005  11:56 PM
has MIL given Gadz a qualifying offer? if so, it's probably a stretch to think we could sign him w/a MLE contract...it would take a sign & trade, & i guess Isiah feels that guys like Kwame, Curry & Stro have bigger upsides.
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