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how many people here wouldve prefered Chris taft over Lee?
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BRIGGS
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7/1/2005  11:21 PM
Even if we had to stick Taft in the NBDL for a year, I think just his physicality is to much to pass up. David Lee is decent player,he was a bit underwhelming at Flda and looks like he made it to the first round via his Chi performance. but Chicago performances tend to be a little misleading. I dont know taft at 30 to me is to hard to pass up
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7/1/2005  11:31 PM
We needed more than athleticism--we needed maturity and leadership--I don't see Taft providing that anytime soon.
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7/1/2005  11:32 PM
Many passed Taft after #30. It wasn't about his body or potential, it was about his head...
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7/1/2005  11:43 PM
Exactly...Taft didn't get picked up by Isiah mainly because he reminds him a lot of TT. Isiah is looking for guys that love and want to win...That is why I don't see why he is interested in Kwame...Taft is no different than Kwame
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7/1/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by roblackman:

We needed more than athleticism--we needed maturity and leadership--I don't see Taft providing that anytime soon.

Taft is 30 pounds heavier an inch taller with 2 more inches on his wingspan and out-jumped Lee on the vertical by an inch

I agree with you that Lee has the IQ part of the game down, but did we dsicount that Taft was 1 year away of solid devlopment from being a monster?


In terms of measurements

taft 6-10 261 7-2 wingspan 33 inch vertical
Lee 6-9 230 7-0 32.5

thats quite a physical diference. i think taft was hurt by poor coaching his second year, not that he didnt bring some problems on himself, but we are talking pick 30

I can see Lee as a role player Taft on the other hand can be a starter in this league one day.
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7/1/2005  11:50 PM
BRIGG!!! don't we have enough of that type of talents in N.Y already??? I will take a savvy player over a talented one any day...Barkley, Dennis Rodman, were all savvy players...They weren't as tall as many other guys but look at them...That is why we don't need a talented dude like Kwame, because just like Taft, he doesn't have the savvy part of the game...and he will never have it...Instinct is not something you can teach...
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7/1/2005  11:53 PM
I still prefer Taft over Lee.
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7/1/2005  11:54 PM
Only 7.5 boards in college for Taft, can't blame that on the "system". He's an underachiever in college and he can't change his stripes over night, I'll take Lee any day.
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7/1/2005  11:55 PM
I would have picked him at 21 over nate- & I know nate is a great player- but looking at the list of FAs available, it quickly becomes evident that all the bigs basically suck or are RFAs or are going to probably get more than we can offer

On the other hand, plenty of small pg types- sure, none as dynamic as nate- but still servicable.

Better to have grabbed Simien at 21 and taft at 30.

We have a hustle guy- JYD- you can through rose in there two.

Now- might he become a Ben Wallace type? doubt it.

Jeff Foster? ok. but you can get that kind of guy as a fa out of the nbdl or europe.
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7/1/2005  11:55 PM
We needed a ball mover, a team player, someone with some basketball smarts. I'm happy with the pick.. he's still really athletic.. but no, his upside isn't tafts. Its a six pack vs. half dozen. I think of Lee as a more athletic Collison, he's done well.. and will accept a role.
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7/2/2005  12:10 AM
i wanted Taft, but I remembered reading about Lee's camp and the big games he had. 30 teams passed on him for a reason. He was picked 42!! Thats the middle of the 2nd round!!! And there is a reason for that. i would have thought he would have been 30-34 at worst. Alot of guys are talented and unmotivated. Why give someone like that a guaranteed contract? Its not wise.
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7/2/2005  12:21 AM
I like lee, people keep talking about taft's physicality, but lee is a 6'9 forward who can go up and throw the ball through his legs for a dunk, that is tremendous for a guy his size, that shows body control, hang time, good coordination, for a guy his size, that is outstanding, all those things make for a great athlete and finisher, plus he finishes with both hands. The only thing taft does with both hands is pick his nose... To think that lee doesn't have starter ability is dead wrong....
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7/2/2005  12:23 AM
I think that Isiah wanted hard workers and character guys; guys willing to dedicate to a common cause of winning. I think that Lee fits that billing more than Taft. I've never been high on Taft, and I have to disagree with you on this one, Briggs.
We need to s#ck in '05-06 and be in the lottery again. With the current cast of characters, I see that happening. Isiah had a nice draft, but this squad will take time to come together. Anyone who thinks that even 45 wins is in the cards in smoking wackie tobaccie. This is baby steps, man. Crawl before you walk and walk before you run and run before you soar. Take a look at the other rosters in the EAST. Take a look at how alot of teams bettered themselves. Look at Indiana..look at Boston..and look at our nemisis, the Heat. We are two years away as of RIGHT NOW.
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7/2/2005  12:24 AM
zeke said he had a hard time passing up taft but chose lee anyway. i think lee was in his sights long before chicago. i trust zeke's opinion on the two, particularly because he knows perfectly well we have too many pf's and still chose lee. that should say something.
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7/2/2005  12:25 AM
I think we'll be capable of 45 wins after Isiah is done dealing this summer.
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7/2/2005  12:31 AM
the only thing that other teams in the east have over us is longevity at their coaching spot. Beside Cleveland and Milwaulke, all of the other teams are at least stable when it comes to their coaches...

That means a lot in my opinion.

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7/2/2005  12:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Taft is 30 pounds heavier an inch taller with 2 more inches on his wingspan and out-jumped Lee on the vertical by an inch

I agree with you that Lee has the IQ part of the game down, but did we dsicount that Taft was 1 year away of solid devlopment from being a monster?

In terms of measurements

taft 6-10 261 7-2 wingspan 33 inch vertical
Lee 6-9 230 7-0 32.5

thats quite a physical diference. i think taft was hurt by poor coaching his second year, not that he didnt bring some problems on himself, but we are talking pick 30

I can see Lee as a role player Taft on the other hand can be a starter in this league one day.

You could make similar descriptions about Kwame Brown and dream about his potential, but in the end is not having those qualities, but actually knowing how to use them. Hopefully Taft will learn to use them and become a good player, but the reason why many teams passed him and the reasons the Warriors took the gamble on him in the second round is that right now he is nothing but a big body. Nothing else...
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7/2/2005  12:32 AM
Wasn't it reported that Ainge was going to take Lee if Green wasn't there?

That said, Isiah seemed to go for safe picks, rather than the boom/bust types.
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7/2/2005  12:33 AM
Posted by diderotn:

the only thing that other teams in the east have over us is longevity at their coaching spot. Beside Cleveland and Milwaulke, all of the other teams are at least stable when it comes to their coaches...

That means a lot in my opinion.

Nah, Philly, Orlando, Boston, Washington, Toronto--all been through their share of coaches.
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7/2/2005  12:38 AM
Posted by Rich:

Wasn't it reported that Ainge was going to take Lee if Green wasn't there?

That said, Isiah seemed to go for safe picks, rather than the boom/bust types.

One thing about safe picks that everyone seems to forget is that even they have potential to be good-great players in the future. Everyone was down on the Frye pick because he was the safe pick, but guess what? These safe picks are between 22-23 years old, and that means that they will get better with experience and time. I have no problems with these picks since NY has picked some players in the past that from potential have become terrible busts...
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