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BRIGGS
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7/1/2005  2:37 PM
I would be willing to do a

Rose Sweetney 2nd round pick

for Kwame and Blatche

The Wizards dont want Kwame back, but they just extended him a QO for 7mm. We HAVE to pay Malik rose what is coming to him--the cash is allocated. Its spent.

IF Kwame is 100% healthy, and he is willing to not only buy into what the Knicks are doing, but pledge to work harder than anyone we have, Im willing to overlook young indiscrepencies for talent and size.

Wash does not want to walk out of Kwame for nothing. But other teasm are going to be atleast reasonably prudent in what they offer.

yes its a risk with Sweetney, but his weight issues are also a risk. The money on balance has been spent, in fact it might endup costing much more to sign Sweet long term in two years with rose. Risk, yes, upside and some bonafies shown-as in some 25 points 13 rbeound games. YES.
I dont know where we are going, but Im willing to do this

A--its a worthy gamble
B--most of the cash has already been alloacted.
c-We put another young guy in the nBDL who still has a lot of upside

we may have to throw in a pick or 2 sec, but at this point I would do it

Its going to COST us anyway you want to look at it to get a big

i think it terms of cost weighed with risk reward this is a nice deal---risky but reasonable.
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7/1/2005  2:39 PM
do you honestly thing kwame is going to come to ny and suddenly find that potential he was once thought to have? come on briggs

kwame is a bigger headache than our team needs right now. why not make a serious move for curry?
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7/1/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by sbensol74:

do you honestly thing kwame is going to come to ny and suddenly find that potential he was once thought to have? come on briggs

kwame is a bigger headache than our team needs right now. why not make a serious move for curry?

sign curry to AVOID headaches? oh man. both curry and kwame have enough question marks that i'd be really hesitant to commit to them big. we have enough of a young core that we should only take on guys like that if we're totally sold on them.
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7/1/2005  2:49 PM
I'd even offer SA's 2006 #1 (b/c it will be a weak draft) instead of the 2nd rd pick to do that deal as long as Kwame is physically okay. As we saw last year, Sweetney is not a better PF right now than JYD or Taylor. All we're losing is long-term upside if we trade Sweetney but we're getting much more long-term upside back in Kwame, who played pretty well 2 years ago when he actually got significant playing time.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/01/2005 14:49:41]
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7/1/2005  2:50 PM
thats fine, but curry has shown he can play while kwame has shown absolutely nothing.
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7/1/2005  2:51 PM
it's a trade based purely on what COULD be.

it's also 100% risk on our side. malik and sweetney are already solid pros that contribute. one may even get ALOT better in time.

so far, kwame, for all intention purposes has been a bust.

so ALL the risk is on our side.

my first choice though would be to nab gadzuric for the MLE or for malik/jyd in a sign and trade. he'll provide hustle and defense from the center spot and will do all the dirty work while frye works the weakside.

getting kwame would be, in effect, adding 4 draft picks b/c i think he has a LONG LONG LONG way to go and may need to be developed from scratch despite his few good games 2 years ago.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/01/2005 14:53:46]
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7/1/2005  2:54 PM
so far, kwame, for all intention purposes has been a bust.

so ALL the risk is on our side.


so why even bother with the guy? lets be serious, its a risk that wont pay off.

curry on the other hand is a big guy with some great talent. I would rather risk it on him than kwame.
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7/1/2005  2:58 PM
I'm with Briggs on this one. Sweetney and filler for Kwame straight up is too risky for me. But if Washington throws in Blatche, I think that tips the scales towards a more balanced trade. They might prefer if we throw in JYD instead of Rose-- getting back two former Hoyas would put some sugar in the DC koolaid.
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7/1/2005  3:00 PM
that would be interesting. Zeke has insight into how teenage drafted players progress and I wonder what he thinks of Brown and Curry and when he expect them to pop.
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7/1/2005  3:05 PM
but everything i've read, isiah DOES NOT like kwame.

apparently he worked him out before and was like "this kid doesn't know jack about bball".

he would be a pure project for zeke if he brings him in.

it's a tough call but i still keep going back to gadz.

i may even do jyd + sweets + 2006 spurs pick for gadz in a sign and trade - that's how good i think he is and will be.
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7/1/2005  3:07 PM
Posted by sbensol74:
so far, kwame, for all intention purposes has been a bust.

so ALL the risk is on our side.


so why even bother with the guy? lets be serious, its a risk that wont pay off.

curry on the other hand is a big guy with some great talent. I would rather risk it on him than kwame.

Im off Curry's jock completely. I want nothing to do with what he ha going on. I would defintely prefer Curry for sure, but with hsi REAL hert in question, and anyone can remember back to having like 9 specialists for Reggie Lewis, and 9 against them, and he died. I wouldnt want to get into that.


Gadzuric signed a QO--they haev zero need for what we have and can just match the MLE offer , but I think it will be more believe it or not.

Hunter, not really skilled, but he is long athletic can block shots, hes probably an option

as for guys like swift dalembart chandler for get it

James hmmmm possibility for MLE


But i still think Brown represents highest talent level
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7/1/2005  3:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

but everything i've read, isiah DOES NOT like kwame.

apparently he worked him out before and was like "this kid doesn't know jack about bball".

he would be a pure project for zeke if he brings him in.

it's a tough call but i still keep going back to gadz.

i may even do jyd + sweets + 2006 spurs pick for gadz in a sign and trade - that's how good i think he is and will be.

why does Milwaukeee want JYD? they dont, there is no match there
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7/1/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

but everything i've read, isiah DOES NOT like kwame.

apparently he worked him out before and was like "this kid doesn't know jack about bball".

he would be a pure project for zeke if he brings him in.

it's a tough call but i still keep going back to gadz.

i may even do jyd + sweets + 2006 spurs pick for gadz in a sign and trade - that's how good i think he is and will be.

why does Milwaukeee want JYD? they dont, there is no match there

you're right, they don't. it's just about $$$'s. if they have a good working relationship and they not willing to pay gadz that time of coin, then maybe something can get worked out.

we are totally at their mercy so we needed to sweeten it by giving them mike and the #1 as well.
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7/1/2005  3:14 PM
I know Isiah watched Kwame school us at the Garden in the low post pretty hard the last game of the season. He was using highly structured post moves with a soft touch and beating KT quite easily.

I would look at it this way, IF he i healthy and that is a number 1 requirement, then you sit down and say will give you this, if you are willing to give us this and we will put it in writing into the contract.
that means being a team player, being a good respectful teammate, a willingness to work hard on his game and lift weights 4 times a week. A willuingness to want to win a willingness to use his physical assets to impose them on others. If he swilling to do these thing and have some of the items written into the contract, and he is 100% helathy, then Id be very willing to do something

remember we are in poor position to get ANY big,

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7/1/2005  3:20 PM
greg oden is our answer

untill then i say we plug the center spot with any cheap big body we can find
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7/1/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I know Isiah watched Kwame school us at the Garden in the low post pretty hard the last game of the season. He was using highly structured post moves with a soft touch and beating KT quite easily.

I would look at it this way, IF he i healthy and that is a number 1 requirement, then you sit down and say will give you this, if you are willing to give us this and we will put it in writing into the contract.
that means being a team player, being a good respectful teammate, a willingness to work hard on his game and lift weights 4 times a week. A willuingness to want to win a willingness to use his physical assets to impose them on others. If he swilling to do these thing and have some of the items written into the contract, and he is 100% helathy, then Id be very willing to do something

remember we are in poor position to get ANY big,

Curry will be fine. What's going on with him cannot be compared to Reggie Lewis. My father has the same problem that Reggie Lewis had. It mainly does it's damage while you are sleeping and it reeks havoc on yoru heart UNLESS you have a sleeping device that keeps everything running smoothly. Lewis was really misdiagnosed. He didn't have to die at all. THat problem has less to do with your heart and more to do with the tissues around your neck cutting off your circulation while you sleep prompting you to stop breathing for sometimes up to an entire minute while you sleep. Your heart must work overtime in these situations and that's how you can have a heart attack...and usually in your sleep. I don't believe that Curry has this problem. I haven't heard any talk of him being in that same boat. But if he is and he's diagnosed, all he has to do is sleep with a humidifyer and he'll be fine. Good as new. And you'll see no effect in his game. As a matter of fact it may help his game because he may have more energy than in the past. Maybe he wasn't lazy after all.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

I know Isiah watched Kwame school us at the Garden in the low post pretty hard the last game of the season. He was using highly structured post moves with a soft touch and beating KT quite easily.

I would look at it this way, IF he i healthy and that is a number 1 requirement, then you sit down and say will give you this, if you are willing to give us this and we will put it in writing into the contract.
that means being a team player, being a good respectful teammate, a willingness to work hard on his game and lift weights 4 times a week. A willuingness to want to win a willingness to use his physical assets to impose them on others. If he swilling to do these thing and have some of the items written into the contract, and he is 100% helathy, then Id be very willing to do something

remember we are in poor position to get ANY big,
That is a fair trade Briggs, no way can Kwame go back there. I mean they dismiss him from the playoff team when they were down in the series. Kwame doesn't want to go back and I think he wants to play for Isiah. Kwame Brown has the most upside than any of the bigs on the market in my opinion. He would be coming out a senior this year. I think he made strides with his post game. Yeah this is a fair deal. I think Sweetney will be a solid pro but I question his weight issues. Besides Rose needs to be on a contender to really contribute nite in nite out.
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Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I know Isiah watched Kwame school us at the Garden in the low post pretty hard the last game of the season. He was using highly structured post moves with a soft touch and beating KT quite easily.

I would look at it this way, IF he i healthy and that is a number 1 requirement, then you sit down and say will give you this, if you are willing to give us this and we will put it in writing into the contract.
that means being a team player, being a good respectful teammate, a willingness to work hard on his game and lift weights 4 times a week. A willuingness to want to win a willingness to use his physical assets to impose them on others. If he swilling to do these thing and have some of the items written into the contract, and he is 100% helathy, then Id be very willing to do something

remember we are in poor position to get ANY big,

Curry will be fine. What's going on with him cannot be compared to Reggie Lewis. My father has the same problem that Reggie Lewis had. It mainly does it's damage while you are sleeping and it reeks havoc on yoru heart UNLESS you have a sleeping device that keeps everything running smoothly. Lewis was really misdiagnosed. He didn't have to die at all. THat problem has less to do with your heart and more to do with the tissues around your neck cutting off your circulation while you sleep prompting you to stop breathing for sometimes up to an entire minute while you sleep. Your heart must work overtime in these situations and that's how you can have a heart attack...and usually in your sleep. I don't believe that Curry has this problem. I haven't heard any talk of him being in that same boat. But if he is and he's diagnosed, all he has to do is sleep with a humidifyer and he'll be fine. Good as new. And you'll see no effect in his game. As a matter of fact it may help his game because he may have more energy than in the past. Maybe he wasn't lazy after all.

Vin Baker got his ticker fixed and he was suddenly supposed to have energy again- no thanks.

A collegue's wife from work who is a hospital technician supposedly saw curry's records- at least the test. He said she didn't think he would play again.

Sure, she's not a doctor- but how come it took so many experts and time before they came out and said he was fine?

Just the fact it took so long to me says its a big deal.

He might be fine, but didn't we learn anything from McDyess??
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7/1/2005  3:57 PM
BTW- I don't think this deal is that bad that Briggs suggests.
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7/1/2005  4:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

but everything i've read, isiah DOES NOT like kwame.

apparently he worked him out before and was like "this kid doesn't know jack about bball".
I don't think that's entirely accurate. If I remember correctly, I thought Isiah simply said before the draft he was a very bad selection at #1 (not that he disliked Kwame). I thought there had been rumors last year about him trying to get Kwame too.
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