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Bonn1997
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I'm assuming we won't be getting many more players from PG to SF. So what starting lineup would you use and why?
Marbury, Crawford, Q (Bench = TT, Ariza, Nate)
Marbury, Q, TT (Bench = Craw, Nate, Ariza)
Marbury, Q, Ariza (Bench = Craw, Nate, TT)
Nate, Marbury, TT (Bench = Q, Craw, Ariza)
Nate, Marbury, Q (Bench = Craw, Ariza, TT)
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Bonn1997
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7/1/2005  2:09 PM
Now that I've thought about it more, I'm picking Marbury, Q, Ariza with TT's expiring contract traded in the offseason. That's an athletic lineup that's strong on defense. I like Crawford and Nate as sparks off the bench. I'd like to see some experimenting, though. (Sometimes have Q slide over to the 3 with Craw at the 2 and Marbury at 1; sometimes have Nate at 1, Marbury at 2.)
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7/1/2005  2:09 PM
I'm still hoping to see TT out the door this summer, so rack me up for Ariza at SF.
As for the back court, Isiah kept saying how he brought Crawford in to join that 3 guard rotation and never expected him to start or get so many minutes. Q has been brought in to replace Allen, not as a SF. The Marbs/Q/Ariza combo seem the most likely, or atleast the most hopeful for me.
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Posted by MaTT4281:

I'm still hoping to see TT out the door this summer, so rack me up for Ariza at SF.
As for the back court, Isiah kept saying how he brought Crawford in to join that 3 guard rotation and never expected him to start or get so many minutes. Q has been brought in to replace Allen, not as a SF. The Marbs/Q/Ariza combo seem the most likely, or atleast the most hopeful for me.
I like that too, but if Ariza's a starter, he's gonna put up solid #s, esp for a 20 year old and he'll grab a lot of attention. He'll be all over the highlight films with his dunks. So, they better get him locked up this summer into a long-term deal.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/01/2005 14:11:58]
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7/1/2005  2:12 PM
I want to see either Marbury, Q and Ariza, or trade Marbury in a package for a big and have Craw start at PG, with Q and Ariza at the 2 and 3. This will give Nate more playing time and it will give the Knicks the opportunity to COMPLETELY build for the future, as I don't see the Knicks being championship contenders while Marbury is still in his prime.

Keep Houston, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play 15 MPG. Screw Tim Thomas and Penny. They shouldn't even be in our plans for THIS YEAR.

But with we have right now, I like Marbury, Q, Ariza, either Sweetney or Lee and Frye.
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7/1/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MaTT4281:

I'm still hoping to see TT out the door this summer, so rack me up for Ariza at SF.
As for the back court, Isiah kept saying how he brought Crawford in to join that 3 guard rotation and never expected him to start or get so many minutes. Q has been brought in to replace Allen, not as a SF. The Marbs/Q/Ariza combo seem the most likely, or atleast the most hopeful for me.
I like that too, but if Ariza's a starter, he's gonna put up solid #s, esp for a 20 year old and he'll grab a lot of attention. He'll be all over the highlight films with his dunks. So, they better get him locked up this summer into a long-term deal.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/01/2005 14:11:58]

That would be ideal. If Ariza goes next Summer, b/c we didn't have his Bird Rights, we only have ourselves to blame.
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7/1/2005  2:16 PM
The only thing is that I'm trying to figure out how Nate and Crawford would each get enough playing time with Ariza, Q, and Marbury as the starters. Q would have to slide over to the 3 for about 15 mpg (maybe 40% of his total playing time). That might allow you to play Jamal 24 mpg and Nate about 14 mpg.
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7/1/2005  3:04 PM
Put me down for Marbury, Q, and TT starting. Q at the two presents considerable matchup problems to the opposition on most nights, and allows JC to finally fill in that supersub microwave role for which his game seems optimum.

I start TT over Ariza for two reasons. One, it's TT's contract year and you know he's going to bring it; starting him and giving him every chance to shine could significantly boost his trade value. Penny is really the guy who we should try to trade in the offseason, since he's never going to raise his value on the court. Two, it's also Ariza's contract year, and while you want his game to grow, you don't want him catching so much attention that he gets an outrageous contract offer in the offseason. Luckily, the new Gilbert Arenas rule removes most worries that we'll lose him, as we'll be able to match any offer as long as we don't use our MLE on another player next offseason. Still, it'd be nice to lock him up to a long term contract whose figures are as low as possible.
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7/1/2005  3:14 PM
steph, q, tt start

but LOOK at this 2nd unit:

nate
craw
ariza
lee
frye

is there a younger, more agile and quicker unit in the nba?
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7/1/2005  3:50 PM
I think Marbury will be the 1, Crawford the 2, and Q Rich the 3, with TT being traded.
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7/1/2005  4:04 PM
Marbs, Q, TT...I just feel with TT and Q's post up ability AND long range shooting, marbs can truly begin to blossom as a drive and score/dish PG created in and for New York.

With Ariza and Craw coming off the bench, and both with a year under their belt, we sub an offense/defense combination giving us the ability to take out any of the 3 and not miss a beat.

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7/1/2005  4:25 PM
I think TT is gone, thankfully.

I also think that Craw should be a starter, now that Nate is here, cause if Craw is the 3rd guard of the bench, where do you expect Nat to play?

So I'm going with Marbs, Craw, and Q, with Ariza, Nate and bigger swing player who can play limited time at both SG and SF with some shooting ability and defense. Allan Anderson who went undrafted seems like a good option. Or a veteran swing, nobody comes to mind right now, but if Penny stops being a jerk, he would fit the role.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/1/2005  4:25 PM
Basden who went undrafted would also work.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/1/2005  5:33 PM
Zeke said something while being interviewed by the ESPN radio, he said that it is up to the coach what the starting lineup will be. Personnaly I want two good defenders on the court at all times. Marb, Q, TT, Sweetney,Frye
Nate, Crawf, Ariza, Lee, and Kwame or Jerome James...



[Edited by - diderotn on 07/01/2005 17:36:18]
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7/1/2005  5:35 PM
Until Ariz develops a jump shot he belongs coming off the bench. TT had a tough year personally last year but found his range the last few months of the season--he's still more talented than Ariza at this point.
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7/1/2005  5:37 PM
TT will start....But I don't know how long a new coach will be able to put up with his frequent disappearances
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Posted by diderotn:

TT will start....But I don't know how long a new coach will be able to put up with his frequent disappearances

This will be TT's last chance to prove himself as a legitimate starter in the league in all likelihood--he has such a bad reputation--I hope he takes advantage of it.

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/01/2005 17:41:26]
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7/1/2005  5:48 PM
Your are right about that...TT will probably come out and has a good season, because he wants a contract...
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7/1/2005  6:09 PM
you don't have my combo on there.

I go with Marbs, Craw and Reezy.

I want to give Craw a chance to shine. He was here last year, he had his ups and downs abut he's a quality kid who puts his heart into the game and deserves to be the incumbent in my opinion.

Q will be fine off the bench at 2 and 3.

Reezy is a bust out waiting to happen. Even though the smarter and wiser thing would be to start TT, I just have a revulsion about this guy. The less I have to see him the better.
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7/1/2005  6:24 PM
Marbury, Q, TT (Bench = Craw, Nate, Ariza)

Marbury starts no question, until the day he is traded.

TT needs to play because he's in his contract year and we need to max his value up until the trading deadline.

Crawford becomes an electric 6th man instant offense player, Nate becomes an electric backup pG and Ariza is just plain electric. The plan is for Ariza to step his game up to where he could justifiably start once TT has been dealt.

I'm also counting on David Lee, JYD, and Malik to slide to SF for a few minutes here and there (assuming they are all still on the team).

[Edited by - kam77 on 07/01/2005 18:29:12]
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7/1/2005  7:09 PM
Well, lets see:

TT will stay, at least until the trading deadline or maybe we renew his contract at a lower (extremely lower) amount, since he isn't a bad play to have for like 2-3 millions. The point is, he will probably be here at the start of the season. He is 6'11" and when interested he can play great games, post up and cause many mismatches.

Marbury is Marbury, the face of the Knicks, the franchise player. He will start.

So, between Q and Craw, who would I start? I'd say Q because he brings more options to the table (like posting up!) and because Craw can play both guard positions.
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