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to me, isiah gets an "A" for this draft...
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djsunyc
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6/28/2005  11:54 PM
we got a center - frye
we got a game changing backup point guard - nate
lee - i'm not sure where he fits but i think he's nbdl for a year then jyd will be traded
42" vertical!?!?!?!?

but this team's style of play is finally taking shape.

guards: marbury, crawford, q, nate
forwards: ariza, sweetney, lee
center: frye

so that's the CORE of the team over the next 3 years.

this now let's us make a big time POWER move with tim and penny's deal.

hey - i was DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN on this team as recent as 6 weeks ago. i wanted to get rid of the big $$$'s contract. but after the q&a, i accepted the fact that it will never happen. so now, i look at our young core and i LIKE IT. i LOVE the nate pick. LOVE IT. i think frye is going to be good for us. does he have the upside of bynum? maybe not. but i think he will be a solid player for us and if we get someone like curry or a bigger player and slide him over the the 4, then we got something cooking.

did they slip me kool-aid at the q&a - it's possible but it's in me now and let's keep it coming...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06/28/2005 23:57:26]
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6/28/2005  11:58 PM
Agreed. Except for one thing: I think David Lee will be in the top 9 rotation next season. He is very good. He's a legit 6'10" (he measured bigger in Chicago than people thought), he plays like Chris Andersen. He's a great pickup.

Totally agree about Nate Robinson. I think he's perfect for this team. Nate and Lee are total Warriors. they play hard, they play smart, they're TOUGH SOBs. Frye has shown signs of being that type of player too, hopefully nate and Lee will set good examples.

Great draft. The Nate move was inspiring.
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6/29/2005  12:00 AM
Find a better Knicks draft than this in the last 20 years...
And the reply is...a post that makes sense (still waiting)
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6/29/2005  12:01 AM
I give isiah a C- for this draft only for the fact that I dont believe we're any better now than we were yesterday.
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6/29/2005  12:04 AM
David Lee
David Lee: Was played completely out of position at the small forward spot on the wing, but still managed to do a decent job regardless. Impressed with his hustle, rebounding, unselfishness and passing ability. Lee had a great putback to show off his athleticism and hit a nice 15-footer to boot. Preferred to make the extra pass on the fast break to get his teammates involved rather than try to do everything himself.

- David Lee: 12 points, 4/7 shooting, 5 rebounds – Lee had a quiet but effective showing in his first game at Chicago – especially in the second half. He displayed some unique finesse-type skills for a power forward. He shows dynamite quickness, smooth passing, and soft touch around the basket. While Lee probably didn’t dominate the way a player of his billing might be expected to at this camp, this probably had more to do with his lack of touches and the style of play than anything that would reflect poorly on Lee. We feel that more impressive statistical performances could be in store for David Lee. One play of note took place in the 2-on-2 drills, where he put down a spectacular reverse dunk from the baseline over Ellis Myles.

David Lee: 20 points 8/10 shooting, 7 rebounds, 2 assists – The top performance of the day belonged to David Lee without a doubt. Lee showed off his entire arsenal of skills Friday for every minute that he was on the court, making unbelievable passes, taking the ball strong off the dribble right at the hoop with his quickness, running the floor like a mad man and rebounding in traffic like a pro. He showed great footwork in the paint to back his man down and score with a finesse move and finish, and came up with a number of emphatic dunks after moving off the ball intelligently. Lee then proceeded to tear the scouting report to shreds by nailing a jumper from mid-range and then taking a rebound coast to coast for a one-handed dunk. It's debatable whether there is anything more that he could have done to impress the scouts in the stands. This is the David Lee that everyone was expecting to see when he accepted his invite to Chicago. He came through in a big way for himself, and probably solidified himself a spot in the first round in the process.

That last sentence was prophetic.

I like all 3 picks and I understand where we are going. We still need another big and a coach though.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 06/29/2005 00:14:18]
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6/29/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by sbensol74:

I give isiah a C- for this draft only for the fact that I dont believe we're any better now than we were yesterday.
You should learn something about basketball then.
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6/29/2005  12:10 AM
I can accept Frye even though briggs really sold me on bynum and i really do like the nate pick but that david lee pick is just unexcusable.

it really ruined the draft night for me. if there was a spot to take a chance at a young center that was it and isiah blew it. I am just tired of the knicks playing it safe.
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6/29/2005  12:10 AM
Than every other team most have gotten a failing grade. Blatche at 50. Funny thing that most people crap on his last year pick. As Nalod would attest, for Isiah to pick a "white boy" he has to be good. Seriously, the Knicks worked out Taft twice, watched his public workout and said no thanks. So I got no problem with not taking him. He has himself to blame.
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6/29/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by sbensol74:

I can accept Frye even though briggs really sold me on bynum and i really do like the nate pick but that david lee pick is just unexcusable.

it really ruined the draft night for me. if there was a spot to take a chance at a young center that was it and isiah blew it. I am just tired of the knicks playing it safe.

there's probably a reason taft and blatche dropped into the 2nd round. isiah didn't want to give them a 3 year guarantee and i'm cool with that.

lee looks like a white malik on ROIDS.

so now we have kurt on ROIDS and malik on ROIDS. AWESOME!!!

forgot who said it but we didn't nab a superstar player but we filled out 3 IMPORTANT pieces.

i don't think y'all are going to realize how nate is going to effect the game next season. not only will it make marbury better b/c he'll be rested more (especially with Q aboard as well) but his relentless defense, paired with ariza in the backcourt will be great.
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6/29/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Than every other team most have gotten a failing grade. Blatche at 50. Funny thing that most people crap on his last year pick. As Nalod would attest, for Isiah to pick a "white boy" he has to be good. Seriously, the Knicks worked out Taft twice, watched his public workout and said no thanks. So I got no problem with not taking him. He has himself to blame.

Taft should be on suicide watch right now. He slacked his way out of millions of dollars of a guaranteed contract!!! I just knew Isiah would pick him at 30, but he saw him 3 times liek you said, he musta not been impressed.

NY needs a hard working white guy, and hes athletic and bangs it. No more Bruno's and Travis Knights, but a White player who can actually play, and this guy seems to fit that bill. And hes tough.
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6/29/2005  12:19 AM
there's no place for Z on this team so i think all those rumors for him will stop.

curry is a STRONG possibility as is kwame.

now that we have lee, malik + 2006 spurs #1 for kwame in a S&T.
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6/29/2005  12:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

curry is a STRONG possibility as is kwame.

now that we have lee, malik + 2006 spurs #1 for kwame in a S&T.
I think we should stay away from Kwame bro. I dont think this guy will ever become anything. He doesnt seem to be motivated. I agree with all your other posts though.
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6/29/2005  12:54 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by sbensol74:

I give isiah a C- for this draft only for the fact that I dont believe we're any better now than we were yesterday.
You should learn something about basketball then.
I'm not sure we are much better either, but we are much younger and much closer to a style of play. Thats good. Whats not good is with 3 first rounders what we come away with is 3 role players. I like them all, but I also think we could have done better at every spot, except 30, where I think Isiah just took the BPA and I agree Lee was the BPA.

I give him a C+ also. I would say this draft helps rebuild the team with youth, but the talent level isnt impressive.

Had he drafted Green at 8 I think he would have been giving us a shot at a real franchise player.

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?

I'm not down on this draft, but I'm hardly impressed either.
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6/29/2005  12:59 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by sbensol74:

I give isiah a C- for this draft only for the fact that I dont believe we're any better now than we were yesterday.
You should learn something about basketball then.
I'm not sure we are much better either, but we are much younger and much closer to a style of play. Thats good. Whats not good is with 3 first rounders what we come away with is 3 role players. I like them all, but I also think we could have done better at every spot, except 30, where I think Isiah just took the BPA and I agree Lee was the BPA.

I give him a C+ also. I would say this draft helps rebuild the team with youth, but the talent level isnt impressive.

Had he drafted Green at 8 I think he would have been giving us a shot at a real franchise player.

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?

I'm not down on this draft, but I'm hardly impressed either.

You would seriously rather have Petro over Nate Robinson? Petro can't play. He doesn't know how. I think Nate may have actually been BPA at 21.

Also, I think the LAST thing this team needs is a Green type player. Not even talking about the fact that we're stacked at the guards. I just don't like that kid, he's rubbed me the wrong way from day one. I did feel a pang of regret to see Warrick and Granger fall, but I'm very excited that Zeke sees something in Frye. I'm not saying Frye can be Camby on defense, but he'll be better on offense and he's getting huge.

I don't know guys, I really like this draft...
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6/29/2005  1:00 AM
Posted by fishmike:

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?

here's the thing - we know isiah's history at drafting. it's been VERY good. probably above average. so if he passed on green, it was for a reason. same as to passing on petro.
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6/29/2005  1:03 AM
Posted by fishmike:

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?
I'd feel like he gave up and was starting from scratch, which I think is a mistake. There is a reason Green slipped, and he even slipped past teams with time to wait on a player like Charlotte and Toronto. But then again those guys made 2 of the dumbest moves of the draft IMO.

But you can never really judge a draft until the guys get on the court, and show you why they were picked. I give it an A, because I trust Isiah, and I can see where we are going and I like it.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?

here's the thing - we know isiah's history at drafting. it's been VERY good. probably above average. so if he passed on green, it was for a reason. same as to passing on petro.

Frye will be ten times the player Petro is. I don't understand why people are intrigued with the prospect of teaching someone who doesn't know how to play. How is that better than grabbing someone who already knows how to play? What is the fascination? Picking players who win in college is a good formula. It worked for the Bulls last year, getting Deng and Gordon. Knowing how to win is a big deal in basketball, and people here are obsessed with guys who not only don't know how to win, they don't know how to play. That strikes me as ridiculous.
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6/29/2005  1:08 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

How would you feel if our draft was Green, Petro and Lee?

here's the thing - we know isiah's history at drafting. it's been VERY good. probably above average. so if he passed on green, it was for a reason. same as to passing on petro.

Frye will be ten times the player Petro is. I don't understand why people are intrigued with the prospect of teaching someone who doesn't know how to play. How is that better than grabbing someone who already knows how to play? What is the fascination? Picking players who win in college is a good formula. It worked for the Bulls last year, getting Deng and Gordon. Knowing how to win is a big deal in basketball, and people here are obsessed with guys who not only don't know how to win, they don't know how to play. That strikes me as ridiculous.
Part of not kowing leaves room for the imagination to go bananas.a guy is big and agile and his upside is crazy!! But thats only because of all the things he can't do well yet and might never learn to.
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6/29/2005  1:09 AM
I give Isiah a B. An A is reserved for getting great value picks. I don't think the Knicks did that.
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6/29/2005  1:39 AM
I like all 3 picks. They are all talents that address issues the current team lacked.

I give Messiah Thomas an A. (SURPRISE!!!)

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 06/29/2005 01:41:30]
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