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gunsnewing
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6/28/2005  1:45 PM
Well Bynum has tremendous upside there is no debating that and I won't. But he went to high school about 5 miles from where I live so I am very familiar with his playing, and the articles in the local papers about him and don't expect much right now.

He is going to sit on the bench these first few years and never really do much. He is only 17 and is still growing as many times in high school he was basically a clutz faling over himself. There were people beating him to the basket in high school that aren't even going to D-1 colleges. I fear that he may be way out of his league in the NBA at least for the first few years.

However...with that being said by the time he is 20-21 with a few extra pounds on him I think he could be great. So I understand the reasoning...to pick him but trust me when I tell you don't expect much right away. Bynum is a pick for the future more than pick for the present.
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I have no problem having him slowly develop for 2-3yrs behind a Center of the calibur of Illgaukus or even Kwame or Hunter
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6/28/2005  1:49 PM
Don't let briggs hear you say that.

But seriously, he'll be in the NBDl for at least the first half of his first season. If he improves quickly there he'll move to the end of the bench.
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6/28/2005  1:52 PM
There will be too much pressure on Bynum in New York City to be the next savior for the Knicks--it won't be good for him and I think the fans will be too impatient with him.
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6/28/2005  1:58 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Well Bynum has tremendous upside there is no debating that and I won't. But he went to high school about 5 miles from where I live so I am very familiar with his playing, and the articles in the local papers about him and don't expect much right now.

He is going to sit on the bench these first few years and never really do much. He is only 17 and is still growing as many times in high school he was basically a clutz faling over himself. There were people beating him to the basket in high school that aren't even going to D-1 colleges. I fear that he may be way out of his league in the NBA at least for the first few years.

However...with that being said by the time he is 20-21 with a few extra pounds on him I think he could be great. So I understand the reasoning...to pick him but trust me when I tell you don't expect much right away. Bynum is a pick for the future more than pick for the present.
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I have no problem having him slowly develop for 2-3yrs behind a Center of the calibur of Illgaukus or even Kwame or Hunter

And this is why some people say that he should go to college. You stand, in my opinion, a better chance at developing when playing in a system that teaches you how to play the game the right way on a higher level than sitting on somebody's bench for years. There are always the Jermaine O'Neal's of the world but that is extremely rare. I can't think of even two more people in the NBA that came into the league as a highschooler, sat on the bench for 2 or 3 years and then developed into a great player. There is Tracy McGrady, but he did get playing time in Toronto. He just didn't dominate. But by many accounts I am hearing that Bynum would probably sit for the first few years of his NBA career. It is truely hit or miss with most young players who still need to "develop" and will find themselves getting 0 playing time to develop gametime NBA instincts and confidence.
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6/28/2005  2:00 PM
Posted by roblackman:

There will be too much pressure on Bynum in New York City to be the next savior for the Knicks--it won't be good for him and I think the fans will be too impatient with him.
I would be willing to put some faith in Isiah regarding this. I think he's smart enough to understand this kid will have extra needs. He did a good job with that coaching guys like Harrington, Oneil and Bender.
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6/28/2005  2:00 PM
I'd rather be patient and take the gamble because the payoff will be huge. much greater than adding lorenzen wright to a 30win team

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/28/2005 14:08:47]
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6/28/2005  2:02 PM
Guns...

You haven't had enough of draft picks not working out I see.
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6/28/2005  2:02 PM
He should have gone to college. But now that the NBDL will be avaliable for NBA teams, I think that those NBDL teams should be made with good fundamental and developemental coaches so it kind of makes up for not going to college...
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6/28/2005  2:08 PM
I heard one scout recently say that everyone watches the tapes of all the players games and knows the players physical ability--what you have to do at that point is get to know the player personally and see what type of person they are--that will make a big difference whether you draft them or not. So I'm wondering what type of personality Bynum is--is he a tough kid, confident, introverted, extroverted, a leader, a team player? These are the kinds of things Isiah probably has investigated to see if he has the potential to be great.
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6/28/2005  2:11 PM
I have a terrible feeling as the draft gets closer and my nerves boil that we will be drafting Frye at 8. Hopefully Isiah than has something else up his sleeve involving Sweetney and co! Because we need a hell of a lot more than a jumpshooting Center! I can live with Frye with a guy like Elton Brand next to him!
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6/28/2005  2:12 PM
Posted by roblackman:

I heard one scout recently say that everyone watches the tapes of all the players games and knows the players physical ability--what you have to do at that point is get to know the player personally and see what type of person they are--that will make a big difference whether you draft them or not. So I'm wondering what type of personality Bynum is--is he a tough kid, confident, introverted, extroverted, a leader, a team player? These are the kinds of things Isiah probably has investigated to see if he has the potential to be great.

He's intelligent! Had a great SAT!
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6/28/2005  2:13 PM
I hope he has basketball intelligence as well!
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6/28/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by roblackman:

There will be too much pressure on Bynum in New York City to be the next savior for the Knicks--it won't be good for him and I think the fans will be too impatient with him.
I would be willing to put some faith in Isiah regarding this. I think he's smart enough to understand this kid will have extra needs. He did a good job with that coaching guys like Harrington, Oneil and Bender.

Bender never did anything. Harrington did well under Zeke, though, and terrible once Zeke left. JOneal obviously blossomed under Zeke. But I think you have to concede a HS player in New York versus a HS player in Indiana are two different things. How many beat writers did Al Harrington have chasing him down his rookie year? Two? Three? Bynum would have 20 or 30. That's a big difference.
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6/28/2005  2:16 PM
Hmm, I saw him play in person this month and he looks very much like a guy who could not only get PT in the NBA right this second, but would be a load to handle. I was trying to figure out guys who will be able to handle his combination of size athletsicm and skills, and really it will be tough on a lot of guys. He seems to get position at will and use soft hook or power move to score what seems like everytime around the basket. I know that he needs PT Flow, thats expected, but he is BY far the second best C prospect in this draft and has a nice chance to be the best.
I maintain what I said all along we will FEVERISHLY REGRET not picking AB

It's almost stupid because Andrew was slotted into the Uconn SL and they were ranked number 1. the minute they lost bynum, they were downgraded to 5. A project C doesnt get to start at Uconn. Uconn NC Duke are teams that have lottery nBA talent all over their teams. You DONT even get into programs like Duke Uconn if you are thought of as a project. A guy like Jim Calhoun is not saying this guy will be a top 5 pick in a year or two because he is a project. If you cant read the writing on the wall, who cares. If you happened to see him play after he transformed his body from the mCD--perhaps as high as 310 down to 275, you would know what i mean, since no one here has, then you have no basis for fact, only a mutated opinion based on 0.
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6/28/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by roblackman:

I heard one scout recently say that everyone watches the tapes of all the players games and knows the players physical ability--what you have to do at that point is get to know the player personally and see what type of person they are--that will make a big difference whether you draft them or not. So I'm wondering what type of personality Bynum is--is he a tough kid, confident, introverted, extroverted, a leader, a team player? These are the kinds of things Isiah probably has investigated to see if he has the potential to be great.
thats what makes the draft a crap shoot, because its the one thing you cant measure on paper. Its why guys with marginal talent on paper like Starks or Ben Wallace go undrafted yet become all star players, and its also why guys like Laettner and Derreck Coleman who are oozing with talent are mediocre NBA players.
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6/28/2005  2:17 PM
I'm afraid as soon as Bynum has a couple bad games Knick's fans will be yelling "BUST!" and to a young kid that can be very damaging to his psyche--or it may make him work harder...I don't know.
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6/28/2005  2:20 PM
people around here have been pretty patient with the problems Crawford, Sweetney and Ariza have had. In the Garden... that might be a different story, but I think when the Garden fans see how big he is that they will warm up some.
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6/28/2005  2:23 PM
Can you even imagine being 17 and the next great hope for the NY Knicks? With millions of fans watching your every move and following you every step of the way? That's alot to shoulder, I just leave it up to Isiah.
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6/28/2005  2:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Hmm, I saw him play in person this month and he looks very much like a guy who could not only get PT in the NBA right this second, but would be a load to handle. I was trying to figure out guys who will be able to handle his combination of size athletsicm and skills, and really it will be tough on a lot of guys. He seems to get position at will and use soft hook or power move to score what seems like everytime around the basket. I know that he needs PT Flow, thats expected, but he is BY far the second best C prospect in this draft and has a nice chance to be the best.
I maintain what I said all along we will FEVERISHLY REGRET not picking AB

It's almost stupid because Andrew was slotted into the Uconn SL and they were ranked number 1. the minute they lost bynum, they were downgraded to 5. A project C doesnt get to start at Uconn. Uconn NC Duke are teams that have lottery nBA talent all over their teams. You DONT even get into programs like Duke Uconn if you are thought of as a project. A guy like Jim Calhoun is not saying this guy will be a top 5 pick in a year or two because he is a project. If you cant read the writing on the wall, who cares. If you happened to see him play after he transformed his body from the mCD--perhaps as high as 310 down to 275, you would know what i mean, since no one here has, then you have no basis for fact, only a mutated opinion based on 0.

Well since you're the only one around here who knows anything about anything and our opinions are all based on 0 fact there is something I need to know about Bynum that you are obviously the only one who knows anything about him....and yeah, and Portland too. How is Bynum's knee? I am wondering why these things are floating around ball clubs around his knee.
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6/28/2005  2:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If you happened to see him play after he transformed his body from the mCD--perhaps as high as 310 down to 275, you would know what i mean, since no one here has, then you have no basis for fact, only a mutated opinion based on 0.
Ok, well you have seen him what once or twice more than us?

Furthermore, would you be making these kinds of commments if people were saying how gret he was? No, you wouldn't. It only matters if you've seen him play, if said person doesn't agree with your high estimate.

Sign Z, and draft Bynum and we'll be straight.
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