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diderotn
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6/27/2005  8:51 PM
I like the guy, but I hate the fact that he keep on mentioning African American as those would be hurt by the new age limit.
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6/27/2005  8:54 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I like the guy, but I hate the fact that he keep on mentioning African American as those would be hurt by the new age limit.

Its not so much African Americans that its hurting, but it certainly will help old white guys that have too much money to trust themselves to invest wisely
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6/27/2005  9:00 PM
Oh well. Blacks need to stop showing weakness like that. I as a black man applaude the age limit...I was hoping that they would raise it to 21, because 95% of these young boys don't have a clue about what to do with fame and money...They need to learn to earn their pay...Draft them and guaraty a certain portion of their pay, and allow them to develop in the NBDL...If they don't like it, they can either join the Army for 2 years or go to the accademy for 2 years.
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6/27/2005  9:03 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Oh well. Blacks need to stop showing weakness like that. I as a black man applaude the age limit...I was hoping that they would raise it to 21, because 95% of these young boys don't have a clue about what to do with fame and money...They need to learn to earn their pay...Draft them and guaraty a certain portion of their pay, and allow them to develop in the NBDL...If they don't like it, they can either join the Army for 2 years or go to the accademy for 2 years.
Greg Anthon says something and now its the whole race showing weakness? Stick a fork in it Dido.
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6/27/2005  9:12 PM
Nah dude, I am sick and tire of the bitching....
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6/27/2005  9:47 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Oh well. Blacks need to stop showing weakness like that. I as a black man applaude the age limit...I was hoping that they would raise it to 21, because 95% of these young boys don't have a clue about what to do with fame and money...They need to learn to earn their pay...Draft them and guaraty a certain portion of their pay, and allow them to develop in the NBDL...If they don't like it, they can either join the Army for 2 years or go to the accademy for 2 years.

Dide,

What, at the age of 21, will these young players learn that they couldn't learn at the age of let's say, 18. What to do with their fame and money? Why should we, as fans, care if Lebron James blows 50 million? Why should we care if Allan Houston makes 100 mil? Because David Stern cares?

David Stern doesn't care. He's not supposed to care. Just as we're not supposed to care. If Joe Blow was projected to go in the lottery but never got drafted or made an NBA team, would you help support his kids? NO. So why do you care if he went in the lottery and blew every dime he had?

Your post sounds borderline "uncle tom". Maybe, you should realize that Blacks will be hurt by the age limit. Most young players that declare out of high school are in fact, black as well as poor, so obviously the age limit will hurt blacks. I don't see that as "bitching", but merely a truth being stated.

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6/27/2005  9:59 PM
Exactly!

The NBA is simply looking to save long term money.

Here is how it works, the longer the player is in the NBA the higher his pay every year. Consdiering the increase every year in a contract is by percentages, over the course of a career the monetary increase of the total value of a players total income is affected pretty much exponentially depending on how many total years he is in the league with a guaranteed deal.

You force players to come in older, they play anywhere from 2 to 3 years less, and get paid exponentially less over the course of their entire career.

That is a lot of money the owners save.

And that is what the whole age limit is about, money, because everything in a business such as a pro league is about just that, money.

What is mind bogglign is how most people fail to realize even the issue at stake and let pundits and the commish hide behind lofty ideas of highs schoolres not being ready and other soft ang gushy crap like that.

Wake up and realize this is about money, money that the players will not recieve despite being potentially qualifed to do so since otherwise they would have gotten drafted.

If that is not discrmination I don't know what is.
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6/27/2005  10:07 PM
A grand total of 8 blacks would have been hurt if the age limit was instated last year. As opposed to the many that mistakenly declared. I think the NAACP has bigger issues to worry about.

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6/27/2005  10:09 PM
It doesnt matter if its one, its the precedent that matters.
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6/27/2005  10:26 PM
Posted by simrud:



What is mind bogglign is how most people fail to realize even the issue at stake and let pundits and the commish hide behind lofty ideas of highs schoolres not being ready and other soft ang gushy crap like that.

No, you the man!
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6/27/2005  10:43 PM
Posted by simrud:

It doesnt matter if its one, its the precedent that matters.

Actually, numbers matter. Technically, the number of African Americans that mistakenly declared out-number those that were fortunately drafted. In some ways, more blacks are benefited by an age limit - those that would go undrafted now get a chance to work on their games in college. Moreover, its not as if the percentage of blacks entering the NBA each draft is reduced. Those blacks are just coming from college now.
The bigger issue for me is actually the age discrimination. I don't support an age limit - America is about giving people choices. And clearly, the choice to declare out of high school has worked for some players. Denying that using an age criteria should be illegal in my opinion.
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6/27/2005  11:10 PM
It's not about black kids losing out, it's about poor kids missing out...and it just so happens a majority of these poor kids are black.

It's not all blacks are screwed by the new rule, it's that more blacks than whites will lose out.

In america, all high schoolers skilled for the pros are black...or, should I really say, NONE of them are white.

Everywhere else (south america, europe, australia) that age group are white, or other colors...but what they are saying is that they are poor...basketball is the only way they can actually make ANY money...

So, it boils down to race if you take it for what it is.

And for everyone to just dismiss it as the race card is kind of stupid.

Everyone knows that while the college ranks are all white, the pros are all black.
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6/27/2005  11:18 PM
As long as the racial demographic of entering NBA classes remains unchanged after the imposition of the age limit, it is not a racial issue. Its next to impossible to make a credible case.

Should people have the option not to go to college and go straight to the NBA - absolutely.
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6/27/2005  11:47 PM
I thought it was to keep the african americans out and sneak the euro-honkeys in when nobody looking!

I think the Lebrons and McGradys gonna be superstars regardless.

Dwight Howard did nothing special last year. He did good, but not special.

For each Lebron, we gonna have some Kwame that will mess it up!

Im cool with a one year wait.
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6/28/2005  4:25 AM
I don't hear people saying NFL Age Limit is Racist. So how can NBA be Racist but NFL not?
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6/28/2005  7:17 AM
People will always try to find an excuse to complain about things, especially when there is money involve. The age limit will benefit all parties involve if you think about it. Colleges, prep schools, owners, fans, the youngsters, the league will all get something positive out of this. I don't see anyone tripping about the rule of having to have insurance or registration to have a car...I don't see anyone tripping about the drinking age limit, nor voting, etc. People will always bitch about changes, but with due time they will all adjust. The fact and the matter is this, the NBA is a business, there has to be rules and regulations to run it. Those youngsters will make it if we stop babysitting them.
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6/28/2005  7:33 AM
there should not be an age limit. Sorry.. if your 18 you can join the army, go to Iraq and kill people, but you cant play NBA basketball? Its just one of our many double standards.
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6/28/2005  8:11 AM
I hate this statement below. No one is forced to join the army at 18, they do it because it is what they want to do. Once you put your name on that contract you are liable to everything that the U.S government wants for you to do....You can't bitch about any orders given, etc. As a professional athlete, teams are forced to wait on guys that voluntarily put their names in the draft, but are not ready to produce right away...I know that they don't force anyone to pick or select them, but just like the army, once they get call upon to execute a mission they should be able to deliver....Kwame and many others are the perfect example to what I have said...

Posted by fishmike:

there should not be an age limit. Sorry.. if your 18 you can join the army, go to Iraq and kill people, but you cant play NBA basketball? Its just one of our many double standards.
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6/28/2005  8:32 AM
how are teams forced? Kwame wasnt assigned to the Wizards, they chose him. Thats the worst example I have seen. So every 18 and 19 year old kid that enlists is ready for the emotional and mental responsibility that military service entails?

These guys that arent ready arent forcing themselves on the NBA. They are taking a shot at making a fortune here. Every NBA team thats gotten burned because they drafted a kid that wasnt ready has only themselves to blame.

Maybe if the Wizards had asked around and learned that Kwame couldnt pour his own cereal they wouldnt have picked him #1
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6/28/2005  8:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:

there should not be an age limit. Sorry.. if your 18 you can join the army, go to Iraq and kill people, but you cant play NBA basketball? Its just one of our many double standards.

The age limit is a business and an image decision by the NBA. That 18 year olds can fight in Iraq doesn't necessarily set precedent for a lower age limit for workers in a corporation. The question is simply, should private corporations be allowed to enforce an above-18 age limit? To me, the answer is a clear NO because you're age discriminating against adults.
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