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Caseloads
Posts: 27725 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/29/2001 Member: #41 |
5/23/2023 1:43 PM
no, he didn't win a chip, and 2nd round of playoffs once. not enough
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gradyandrew
Posts: 22403 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/19/2021 Member: #8959 |
5/23/2023 2:01 PM
Coffee is for closers.
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markvmc
Posts: 21993 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2008 Member: #1797 |
5/23/2023 8:21 PM
He doesn't belong on that list. Very good player, but not at that level.
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/24/2023 7:14 AM
H20 is 4th on knicks all time scoring list. Played 60 playoff games in his 9 seasons.
Made key shot to move past Heat enroute to finals in 1999. The point is if you put Melo there you should put Allan as he did more as a knick.
Regarding Allan, the issue was his chronically bad knees and albatross contract. 9 years a knick. In the Dolan era of changing coaches and GM’s, that was something of an achievement itself!!! |
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joec32033
Posts: 30606 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #583 USA |
5/24/2023 11:25 PM
Panos wrote:joec32033 wrote:Panos wrote:Do you remember exactly why they made that rule? Better yet, do you remember who the Knicks used their "Allan Houston" clause on?Chandler wrote:AhemEwingsGlass wrote:I don't think he did enough here to get his number retired. Houston is #4 on the all time points list, not retired and I don't think he deserves it either. I am cool with Melo but he didn't earn a spot in the rafters.this! Not that year. That year, they kept Houston and used it on Jerome Williams. Actually, that clause was never used on him. He ended up retiring. Rather than saving almost $40 million, New York opted instead to release forward Jerome Williams to avoid $21.3 million in luxury taxes that would have been due over the next three seasons. https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/499/ladies-and-gentlemen-your-2005-amnesty-class ~You can't run from who you are.~
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Philc1
Posts: 28279 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
5/27/2023 7:16 AM
gradyandrew wrote:Coffee is for closers. By that criteria no Knick in the past 50 years should have a number retired |
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/29/2023 11:52 AM LAST EDITED: 5/29/2023 12:02 PM
Read some weak stuff about more Knicks having numbers retired. https://nypost.com/2023/05/27/carmelo-anthony-not-only-knicks-legend-whose-number-should-be-retired/
I think players that took teams to finals is important as it defined an Era. H20 did and was 4th leading scorer in knick history. Im up in the air. If pressed I say no. "Sweetwater Clifton" was an pioneer and I believe was part of teams that went to finals in early 50s'. Yes. Bernard King. Less than 3 seasons here. Sure he was great but did not define an era, or a long playoff run with finals inclusion. Dick Barnett and Bill Bradley were very good players, and had great Knick Careers with 2 chips. I get why they are in, but marginal. Bradley HOF inclusion was as well. Happy he there though. Barnett was not. He was an all-star before Clyde emerged. Once. His last Chip in '73 he was role player off the bench. Played in just 4games avg 1.5 min per game in playoffs in 1973. During season he played 51 games, avg 10 minutes and about 3pts per. Major player before Earl came and when earl was hurt. Bob McAdoo was two time Allstar here and we won a playoff series with him in three years. WE don't celebrate him like King, who played just 30 games more than McAdoo. Both had similar PPG stats. I like Melo. His career here was uneven. not all 7 seasons were good ones. Not enough playoff substance. Its nice to honor great players but he was not a great knick. He had a great career. |