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PLAY KNICKS GM - 2022 OFFSEASON - what to do? what would you do?
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Max RJ Barrett, Max Mitch Rob, Keep Randle
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Max RJ, Max Mitch, Trade Randle
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Max RJ, Trade Mitch, Keep Randle
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Trade RJ, Trade Mitch, Trade Randle (clean house)
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Keep RJ (non-Max), Max Mitch (unrestricted, will leave if not maxed), Keep Randle
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Keep RJ (non-Max), Trade Mitch, Keep Randle
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Keep RJ (non-Max), Trade Mitch, Trade Randle
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Keep RJ (non-Max), Max Mitch, Trade Randle


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MaTT4281
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3/29/2022  12:53 PM
Wait, I'm team "Pay the Man", but our only option to keep Mitch is to max him out?

Last year a max extension was 4 year, $48M (yes, sign me up!), but he's unrestricted this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a $40M/yr contract? Pretty sure we've got some middle ground to explore...
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3/29/2022  1:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2022  1:01 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:Wait, I'm team "Pay the Man", but our only option to keep Mitch is to max him out?

Last year a max extension was 4 year, $48M (yes, sign me up!), but he's unrestricted this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a $40M/yr contract? Pretty sure we've got some middle ground to explore...


Robinson is currently eligible for an extension worth up to $55.6 million over four years. Since the Knicks exercised his team option for this season, he will become an unrestricted free agent in 2022. This could incentivize them to extend him before the end of the season.
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3/29/2022  1:30 PM
Caseloads wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:Wait, I'm team "Pay the Man", but our only option to keep Mitch is to max him out?

Last year a max extension was 4 year, $48M (yes, sign me up!), but he's unrestricted this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a $40M/yr contract? Pretty sure we've got some middle ground to explore...


Robinson is currently eligible for an extension worth up to $55.6 million over four years. Since the Knicks exercised his team option for this season, he will become an unrestricted free agent in 2022. This could incentivize them to extend him before the end of the season.

If he takes $55 over 4 years, you make that deal.
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3/29/2022  1:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2022  1:32 PM
Caseloads wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:Wait, I'm team "Pay the Man", but our only option to keep Mitch is to max him out?

Last year a max extension was 4 year, $48M (yes, sign me up!), but he's unrestricted this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a $40M/yr contract? Pretty sure we've got some middle ground to explore...


Robinson is currently eligible for an extension worth up to $55.6 million over four years. Since the Knicks exercised his team option for this season, he will become an unrestricted free agent in 2022. This could incentivize them to extend him before the end of the season.

I mean, I think that hand has already been played. We've got 6 games left, less than 2 weeks to the season. What incentive does Mitch have to accept an offer before the offseason? He's already gone this far in terms of taking on risk, playing without a contract secured. See what offers you can field.

Within that context though, yes, I would sign Mitch to a 4 year $56M contract; $14M/year - but at this point, it's going to be left to the market to determine a price.
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3/29/2022  1:36 PM
where is fire Thibs?

I'm going with keeping Mitch, RJ on less than a max - if possible, and move Randle if it's a decent value deal back. I like him as a player, but a bit worried about his sour personality affecting the other players.

I'm paying Adam off to give us the top pick, but otherwise taking BPA with a heavy lean on a PG.

Next year is the first year of a three year plan to make the play offs and make progress in advanceing. I don't see the talent to win a championship, so unless we're looking to Hinkie/process things, that is my goal - a nice 45-50 win team for 2-5 years.

I'm not going to throw big money after a player like a Brunson unless I am moving in return a player like Randle or Fournier.

I'm also going to sample Alec Burks DNA, and inject into the rest of my players.
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MaTT4281 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:Wait, I'm team "Pay the Man", but our only option to keep Mitch is to max him out?

Last year a max extension was 4 year, $48M (yes, sign me up!), but he's unrestricted this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a $40M/yr contract? Pretty sure we've got some middle ground to explore...


Robinson is currently eligible for an extension worth up to $55.6 million over four years. Since the Knicks exercised his team option for this season, he will become an unrestricted free agent in 2022. This could incentivize them to extend him before the end of the season.

I mean, I think that hand has already been played. We've got 6 games left, less than 2 weeks to the season. What incentive does Mitch have to accept an offer before the offseason? He's already gone this far in terms of taking on risk, playing without a contract secured. See what offers you can field.

Within that context though, yes, I would sign Mitch to a 4 year $56M contract; $14M/year - but at this point, it's going to be left to the market to determine a price.

which is probably 4 years @ $80m, so we're probably 5 years $100m - which for a player like Mitch at his peak athletic years is a pretty good deal.
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3/29/2022  2:45 PM
My plan is very simple.

-Draft BPA
- package Burks and Noel together to a team with cap space and attach the Dallas pick next year (lottery protected)
- Sign Jalen Brunson for his going rate
- Hold mitch using his caphold until signing Brunson with the promise of a 4 year 50 mil contract
- Extend RJ. Keep Randle.

C Mitch
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Fournier
PG Brunson
Bench: Rose, Quickley, Grimes, Reddish, Toppin, Sims, Gibson, McBride, Drafted players
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3/29/2022  3:46 PM
Re sign Mitch Robinson
draft Tari Eason
2nd rd draft a center
re motivate Julius Ranbdle Rehab Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose
Look at the cost of Malcolm Brogdon(value 1 draft pick in 2023 + Rose contract etc.. I like the player at right cost.
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3/29/2022  3:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Re sign Mitch Robinson
draft Tari Eason
2nd rd draft a center
re motivate Julius Ranbdle Rehab Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose
Look at the cost of Malcolm Brogdon(value 1 draft pick in 2023 + Rose contract etc.. I like the player at right cost.

You're keeping Mitch, Noel and Sims.
Why are we drafting another center?
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3/29/2022  4:23 PM
"Do whatever it takes" to get Westbrook. And maybe AD and Lebron. And then with no cap room or draft picks enjoy another decade of pissing and moaning.
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3/29/2022  4:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2022  7:34 PM
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Re sign Mitch Robinson
draft Tari Eason
2nd rd draft a center
re motivate Julius Ranbdle Rehab Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose
Look at the cost of Malcolm Brogdon(value 1 draft pick in 2023 + Rose contract etc.. I like the player at right cost.

You're keeping Mitch, Noel and Sims.
Why are we drafting another center?

Tgis will be a good year for a center but of course if a guy falls into rd 2 I’d look at any bpa. If Aldones Williams slips to 40-41 Id take him probably without hesitation over a C

But I think keep it simple and see the cost of brogdon to replace rose.

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3/29/2022  4:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2022  4:35 PM
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Re sign Mitch Robinson
draft Tari Eason
2nd rd draft a center
re motivate Julius Ranbdle Rehab Nerlens Noel and Derrick Rose
Look at the cost of Malcolm Brogdon(value 1 draft pick in 2023 + Rose contract etc.. I like the player at right cost.

You're keeping Mitch, Noel and Sims.
Why are we drafting another center?

I do not like the idea of keeping Mitch, Noel and Sims. We need at least one center than can occassionally hit a shot from beyond 4 feet of the basket. I would only re-sign Mitch if the price is right. To me, a multiyear deal at $20m per year is NOT the right price. I would only go for $12-14m, higher than that, let someone else have him. A big long-term contract for a non-shooting center really crippled a lot of teams. The utility of such guys to championship contenders drops off quite a bit beyond their first several years in the league. Just look at Deandre, Drummond, Hassan Whiteside or even Dwight Howard.
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3/29/2022  4:46 PM
who wants to ditch RJ??
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I was in camp: Keep RJ (non-Max), Max Mitch, Trade Randle
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3/29/2022  4:50 PM
Caseloads wrote:who wants to ditch RJ??

prob Kemet

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Knixkik wrote:My plan is very simple.

responses below:
-Draft BPA

> OK

- package Burks and Noel together to a team with cap space and attach the Dallas pick next year (lottery protected)

> Why trade Burks?

- Sign Jalen Brunson for his going rate

> No way

- Hold mitch using his caphold until signing Brunson with the promise of a 4 year 50 mil contract

> Hmm

- Extend RJ. Keep Randle.

> OK

C Mitch
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SG Fournier
PG Brunson
Bench: Rose, Quickley, Grimes, Reddish, Toppin, Sims, Gibson, McBride, Drafted players
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Knixkik wrote:My plan is very simple.

-Draft BPA
- package Burks and Noel together to a team with cap space and attach the Dallas pick next year (lottery protected)
- Sign Jalen Brunson for his going rate
- Hold mitch using his caphold until signing Brunson with the promise of a 4 year 50 mil contract
- Extend RJ. Keep Randle.

C Mitch
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Fournier
PG Brunson
Bench: Rose, Quickley, Grimes, Reddish, Toppin, Sims, Gibson, McBride, Drafted players

You just can't. Smart teams NEVER do this. You do not trade viable players WITH a draft pick. It's the death of teams.

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3/29/2022  4:55 PM
Knixkik wrote:My plan is very simple.
bud.. its very simple but also a non reality based pipe dream

package Burks and Noel together to a team with cap space and attach the Dallas pick next year (lottery protected)
throw a team out there... any team. This is NOT feasible or reality based in any way shape or form. Go look up teams with cap space next year and pick one. The only might be Detroit who have shown interest in Mitch as an UFA they can sigh outright

Hold mitch using his caphold until signing Brunson with the promise of a 4 year 50 mil contract
Mitch already turned that down. He's also worth more.

SG Fournier
PG Brunson
might be the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA

We got guys 10 minutes away from being better than Brunson. Bring in Isaiah Thomas if that's your fancy. He'll be much cheaper.

I agree with drafting the BPA! I also think a Burks/Noel package has value. Package those 2 and pick 12 to Portland for Bledsoe and picks 7+9.

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3/29/2022  5:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2022  5:04 PM
martin wrote:
Caseloads wrote:who wants to ditch RJ??

prob Kemet

Kemet the frog
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Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
Caseloads wrote:who wants to ditch RJ??

prob Kemet

Kemet the frog

that Kemet is easier to understand
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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