blkexec wrote:My knee jerk reaction says yes. Cause we just lost. But as we calm down, and think for a second....Randle was ready to give his all for this team. And he's no scrub. Plus other players are now watching how the FO treats Randle. How do the fans treat a players who bleeds orange and blue. Works in the offseason and earned a MIP award. Randle is a keeper. Plus we will never get back equal value, especially with his playoff performance. Keep him...build around him. And evaluate him with a better team of skilled players around him. #Barz

On the flip-side, players might also be watching how the team is dedicated to winning. Never forget, business and loyalty do not mix. We can’t make moves to impress players on other teams, even if it’s because of free agency. That’s a losing proposition. We have to make tough moves because it will lead to winning (and money obviously) in hopefully both the short and long-term.

Julius Randle came into the league with lots of talent. Everywhere he went to, he showed some potential while also struggling to show consistency and being able to be a main weapon on a team.

That’s why he was available to the Knicks. His first season was almost the same. Then came the breakout this season and all was great. But then this playoffs he looked like all the bad Randle we had seen before: forcing things, not involving others, bad shots, turnovers. Lots seems mental, but still worrisome. Yes, a short bad stretch, but one with elements previously seen.

Where are we now? I think we are still in a better situation than before this season. Most would’ve traded him for a can of soup. His value is there, just not the untouchable value we gave him during the season. He can’t be your number 1 option. Could be your second, at least until RJ is ready to take over, if he does.

To me, I don’t WANT to trade Randle, but I will consider any trade and if a good one is available, I won’t hesitate to make it. He is an asset but a volatile one. I’d rather explore trade options before Randle reverts to his bad habits, if that happens at all.

I have never seen anyone forget how to play so quickly. He was the worst player on the floor and his stats were so empty. 8 turnovers don’t tell the story. Every pass he threw was touch or deflected. Every shot was a force from deep.

He’s unreadable if he plays like this again.

The warriors are the perfect fit for him. Wiseman, the Minnesota pick could be an interesting package.

Allanfan20 wrote:

blkexec wrote:My knee jerk reaction says yes. Cause we just lost. But as we calm down, and think for a second....Randle was ready to give his all for this team. And he's no scrub. Plus other players are now watching how the FO treats Randle. How do the fans treat a players who bleeds orange and blue. Works in the offseason and earned a MIP award. Randle is a keeper. Plus we will never get back equal value, especially with his playoff performance. Keep him...build around him. And evaluate him with a better team of skilled players around him. #Barz

On the flip-side, players might also be watching how the team is dedicated to winning. Never forget, business and loyalty do not mix. We can’t make moves to impress players on other teams, even if it’s because of free agency. That’s a losing proposition. We have to make tough moves because it will lead to winning (and money obviously) in hopefully both the short and long-term.

I agree....gotta make moves that helps the team. What I'm talking about are emotional moves and changes just to do something or to make headlines, becauseof how we lost. If a star player is looking for a new home, I'm sure they are looking for a team with a solid foundation vs a blank sheet of paper, which is the result of blowing this up and starting over. I don't think this team should be blown up. We have something good here that we can build on. We just need a player who can take over a game and play heavy minutes. Hawks has that 1 player in Trae, with a bunch of solid Randles amd RJs around him. That's how we should approach this off season. And that's what I believe this FO will do. Build around the good, and trim the fat. Whatever that means in basketball terms. Lol. I'm still a believer that Mitch is a foundation player to keep. But we need better vets while continuing to add to our youth movement.

BRIGGS wrote:

MS wrote:Honestly, he was a warrior all season long. But, what we saw in the playoffs was alarming.

I have never seen anyone forget how to play so quickly. He was the worst player on the floor and his stats were so empty. 8 turnovers don’t tell the story. Every pass he threw was touch or deflected. Every shot was a force from deep.

He’s unreadable if he plays like this again.

The warriors are the perfect fit for him. Wiseman, the Minnesota pick could be an interesting package.

I’d consider that trade.

I wouldn’t. That’s a stupid trade. Wiseman is so suspect and we already have Mitch and you don’t give up Randle for unproven commodities. You think Kuminga is taking this team places?

Clean wrote:We can keep him and see how he handles the butt kicking he got this series. I would not be against trading him if a good deal comes. I just don't believe he is a winning player when every team tries hard. Regular season games can be won just by playing hard every game. This is why Thibs teams always over perform. I am trying to figure out how Randle will handle not having the offense ran through him every single time down. How does he play off a real number 1 or 2 option?

He turns over the ball a lot. He is a slow decision maker. He is easily game planned out of the game completely. He constantly takes low percentage shots. He is a poor shooter from range. His defense is OK in the best of times and drops lower depending on how he is playing that game. Players like Chris Bosh you can see how he fits in an offense as a third option. I can't see it from Randle. If people are considering keeping him as a 1st option I am dead against that. We will be too good to get generational talent in the draft and be too bad to advance from the 1st round. Randle improvement was a great story but don't let a great story cause us to be on the dreaded treadmill of mediocrity.

Well said - this is exactly how I see it, too. But I think Randle could be an excellent #2 option. He's young enough to adapt his game if we get a true alpha scorer (e.g., Trae/Beal type). As #1, Randle can be game-planned to oblivion...clearly. And then the rest of his game drops off.

Moonangie wrote:

Clean wrote:We can keep him and see how he handles the butt kicking he got this series. I would not be against trading him if a good deal comes. I just don't believe he is a winning player when every team tries hard. Regular season games can be won just by playing hard every game. This is why Thibs teams always over perform. I am trying to figure out how Randle will handle not having the offense ran through him every single time down. How does he play off a real number 1 or 2 option?

He turns over the ball a lot. He is a slow decision maker. He is easily game planned out of the game completely. He constantly takes low percentage shots. He is a poor shooter from range. His defense is OK in the best of times and drops lower depending on how he is playing that game. Players like Chris Bosh you can see how he fits in an offense as a third option. I can't see it from Randle. If people are considering keeping him as a 1st option I am dead against that. We will be too good to get generational talent in the draft and be too bad to advance from the 1st round. Randle improvement was a great story but don't let a great story cause us to be on the dreaded treadmill of mediocrity.

Well said - this is exactly how I see it, too. But I think Randle could be an excellent #2 option. He's young enough to adapt his game if we get a true alpha scorer (e.g., Trae/Beal type). As #1, Randle can be game-planned to oblivion...clearly. And then the rest of his game drops off.

Randle has played with Kobe and AD. Im sure he understands how to play along side another star. Thats the new NBA.