Sure, we didn't fix the PG position, but at least we retained Payton as opposed to letting him go and not replacing.

blkexec wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

blkexec wrote:I believe adding coach thibs makes us better. Add in the FA additions, the draft picks, and over all we got younger and more explosive on both ends. This is a good mix of ball movers and high IQ players that will help develop the youth. Adding a Westbrook type will get us more wins, but set our chemistry development back.

What if you leave Thibs out of it.... Did the team get better or worse this week?

Without thibs. Yes we got better. Instead of having a team full of 1yr forwards. We have a balance of young players with a chip on their shoulders at every position. So the future is brighter. We cant depend on FA all the time. We have to develop a team environment that will develop the young, while continuing to have cap flexibility.

Last year....It was 1 yr players fighting for the same position. This yr we have a balance of players fighting for multiple positions.

you call having 7 combo guards a balance roster with none of them being legit starters or leaders. In fact, There isn't a player on this roster that would start for any team in our division.

I keep waking hoping their is a trade brewing behind closed doors, because this is full tank mode as is

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

blkexec wrote:I believe adding coach thibs makes us better. Add in the FA additions, the draft picks, and over all we got younger and more explosive on both ends. This is a good mix of ball movers and high IQ players that will help develop the youth. Adding a Westbrook type will get us more wins, but set our chemistry development back.

What if you leave Thibs out of it.... Did the team get better or worse this week?

Without thibs. Yes we got better. Instead of having a team full of 1yr forwards. We have a balance of young players with a chip on their shoulders at every position. So the future is brighter. We cant depend on FA all the time. We have to develop a team environment that will develop the young, while continuing to have cap flexibility.

Last year....It was 1 yr players fighting for the same position. This yr we have a balance of players fighting for multiple positions.

you call having 7 combo guards a balance roster with none of them being legit starters or leaders. In fact, There isn't a player on this roster that would start for any team in our division.

I keep waking hoping their is a trade brewing behind closed doors, because this is full tank mode as is

You telling your age. Thats what guards are today. They are scoring PGs....aka combo guards. So I dont get your comment.

There are several players who could start on any team. But right now we have a mix of journey men and rookies. There are some vets that used to start on other teams. And rookies like toppin will eventually become a starter. But whats your point? We are in a development era.

What makes this team better is that the rookies have an environment to play... instead of looking over their shoulders and wondering which PF will take their time away.

I love the direction we are heading or continue to head. This is not about the players or coaches. Its about the impatient fans that don't know how to appreciate a youth movement. How to stop comparing a team full of vets vs a young up and coming team of hungry young players.

franco12 wrote:i don't understand how you can say worse? I mean, I would have liked to have retained Moe Harkless & Dotson, but what exactly did we give up?

Sure, we didn't fix the PG position, but at least we retained Payton as opposed to letting him go and not replacing.

Austin Rivers is a slightly better Dotson

And I wanted Dotson back

But really?

We have improved a lot. We have kept our biggest asset, which is the cap space. We have maximized our youth with the draft and we have added to our flexibility with shrewd moves to get draft picks. This is one of the best offseason in recent history.

And the way we are moving, we could be ready to strike big as early as next offseason. If we play as most believe we will, we’ll count on a lottery pick where we will most probably grab the final main piece of our youth core, along with more talent with other picks. We will have more than the space we had this season to either sign a big free agent or make a move for a star, which should be more possible after a year of progress for our young core along with the high expectations of whoever we draft in 2021.

I think this all is very exciting. We might not win much, but watching the youth improve and learn while giving us exciting moments will make this season easier to follow. And the expectation of that next draft, the one that may give us the final young piece we need while allowing us to start getting more established help with the cap space will all be very exciting.

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

blkexec wrote:I believe adding coach thibs makes us better. Add in the FA additions, the draft picks, and over all we got younger and more explosive on both ends. This is a good mix of ball movers and high IQ players that will help develop the youth. Adding a Westbrook type will get us more wins, but set our chemistry development back.

What if you leave Thibs out of it.... Did the team get better or worse this week?

Without thibs. Yes we got better. Instead of having a team full of 1yr forwards. We have a balance of young players with a chip on their shoulders at every position. So the future is brighter. We cant depend on FA all the time. We have to develop a team environment that will develop the young, while continuing to have cap flexibility.

Last year....It was 1 yr players fighting for the same position. This yr we have a balance of players fighting for multiple positions.

you call having 7 combo guards a balance roster with none of them being legit starters or leaders. In fact, There isn't a player on this roster that would start for any team in our division.

I keep waking hoping their is a trade brewing behind closed doors, because this is full tank mode as is

You telling your age. Thats what guards are today. They are scoring PGs....aka combo guards. So I dont get your comment.

There are several players who could start on any team. But right now we have a mix of journey men and rookies. There are some vets that used to start on other teams. And rookies like toppin will eventually become a starter. But whats your point? We are in a development era.

What makes this team better is that the rookies have an environment to play... instead of looking over their shoulders and wondering which PF will take their time away.

I love the direction we are heading or continue to head. This is not about the players or coaches. Its about the impatient fans that don't know how to appreciate a youth movement. How to stop comparing a team full of vets vs a young up and coming team of hungry young players.

Thibs cant be dismissed. He's the most important acquisition this offseason along with the developmental staff the front office helped him build out. RJ, Obi and Mitch appear to be starting caliber players but need more development. Frank, Knox, DSjr, Quickley, Iggy are all mysteries but have potential and Pinson and the Seton Hall kid are like walk ons.

The Knicks are NOT contending.

The FASTEST way for the KNicks to get better is for RJ, Mitch, Obi, Frank, Knox, DSjr, Quickley and Iggy all get better and reach their best NBA potential. That is the ONLY thing that matters next season and how fast we get better with hinge on those guys taking solid steps forward.

Thibs has an underrated history of player improvement. I have very high expectations of what our players development will yield for next year. That even includes a guy like Noel taking a bigger role.

A lot of people think the knicks are among the bottom in the league once more, no one stops to consider the effect of the new player development and defense driven coaching staff. I think this roster got more shooters and defensive players. If everyone buys in to what coach thibs wants to do, i think this roster will surprise many!