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Social statement: Play or not to play.....


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Nalod
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The league's players are discussing not playing.
6 votes
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Play but formulate a social statement/protest as part of the process
0 votes
0%
Don't play, that makes a statement


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Nalod
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6/15/2020  7:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2020  7:28 PM
My 2 cents worth: play but have a specific result. Some specific federally mandated reform equal to all 50 states. 1968 bought about the Civil Rights Act. Use this platform for a voice and a call for an action. Bring a specific message before every game about a specific call to an act. A tangable reform. No blurry calls for defunding or white empathy. Real tangable action.

But.......if you don't play I hope other sports dont't either!!! No no NFL, no baseball and no hockey!

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Allanfan20
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6/15/2020  8:29 PM
Play. Promote BLM. Allow the players to kneel for the NA.

This is no way, shape or form takes away from the movement.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
Swishfm3
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6/15/2020  8:37 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Play. Promote BLM. Allow the players to kneel for the NA.

This is no way, shape or form takes away from the movement.

It actually does because it now becomes a distraction.

Part of me wants the NBA (and MLB) to start but the other part loves the fact that these issues are in the forefront of every news and sporting outlet. People can't hide from it and we are being forced to talk about it. For those reasons, I kind of hope that the NFL doesn't start as well.

Allanfan20
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6/15/2020  9:26 PM
How does it become a distraction? What percent of the population do you think actually watches the NBA? The answer is not a lot. 10 million people watch the playoffs I believe. That’s around 3% of the US population. What distraction?

And are Kyrie and Dwight going out there with the masses protesting to support their cases? Or does this have more to do with Kyrie being denied access to the bubble and his feelings getting hurt? I think he’s full of crap. The NBA can easily promote BLM all throughout the games. It would be so easy for them.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
Allanfan20
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6/15/2020  9:32 PM
I actually could be wrong about the 10 million part. I am seeing different things on google but it’s not far off. Regardless, it’s hardly a dent of the population.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
smackeddog
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6/16/2020  3:26 AM
Completely trust the players judgement, whatever they decide I'll go with.

Interesting thing is, if they decided not to play, would the owners really have the gall to rip up the CBA and start a lockout in the current political situation?- the optics (and indeed facts) would be horrific for the nba, and very revealing that even in the league where supposedly black athletes have the most sway, they still get trumped by white billionaires who a) locked them out because they wouldn't risk their health/ wanted to push for systemic change, b) are trying to claw back money off them and turn back the clock decades.

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6/16/2020  7:59 AM
How do you guys feel about youth sports? I have 2 children that are still playing. 1 plays AAU basketball and HS basketball. The other rows in college. Rowing is a little more safe...I think. AAU basketball is another. My son's coach has already contacted us about practicing and scheduling a tournament around July.
Nalod
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6/16/2020  9:20 AM
Kendrick Perkins saying Kyrie is not playing and thus would not be invited to orlando and perhaps that might have some bearing on him.

Health perspective. Lets be real, not all teams will be in the "bubble" all three months. Some teams will go home after 8 games. If no bye rounds, half the teams will go home after the first round.
Reality is you won't keep this bubble completely air tight. Some players are concerned about their health and some are concerned about lack of freedoms. While they are supremely gifted athletes and there is a lot of money at stake for many players who also have commitments. Not all players have mega contracts. This is their pay day and for some it has to last a very long time.

"White Billionaires"...........Easy stereotype. Some of them are very philinrhopical and have made their fortunes by being in tune with reality building diverse organizations. Not every owner is a ****head like dolan or Dan Gilbert. NBA has Jordan, a diverse group in Atlanta, Indian owner in SAC and Chinese owner in Brooklyn. Im just going off the top of my head. NBA to me has been one of the most progressive leagues and responsive to its players.
Not perfect, just better than most.
If players strike it blows up the CBA? Social change always comes with a sacrifice. Historically many have given their lives or disrupted careers. I think its unfair to ask the league owners to bare the responsabilty. This is the players decision. Can they be fair? Can there be a compromise? Of course. But the CBA is a business agreement. The owners in many cases have bills to pay, arenas to fund, practice facilities with staff to fund, and maybe debt used to buy the team to service. Owners can stand with their players but in business the union is not always the good guy either.

I think atheltes accross college and pro would make a profound statement if unified. I won't tell another man how to protest, how to feel, or what to sacrifice. I am just discussing.

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6/16/2020  9:25 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Play. Promote BLM. Allow the players to kneel for the NA.

This is no way, shape or form takes away from the movement.

Agree. Kyrie is apparently leading the charge on sitting out. Which is convenient for him. He cant play, and he's loaded. Lots of players on the lower end of the pay scale who dont have that luxury.

The less we see and hear NBA players, the less of an impact their voices will have in the media. In the public sphere. We've seen that since the aeason ended.

A lot can happen between now and November. Believe these players (with the exception of Irving) are genuinely trying to make a decision, they believe is best for the Black Lives Matter movement. Not having that platform every night, will make it harder for these players to have the same impact.

Knicks are out it, have no dog in the hunt.

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6/16/2020  10:22 AM
Play and promote. The NBA is not the NFL or MLB. They have been behind these guys completely and very progressive with the main issues over the years. Not playing seems to fit more of a kyrie conspiracy agenda. He's just different.
NYKBocker
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6/16/2020  11:19 AM
Knixkik wrote:Play and promote. The NBA is not the NFL or MLB. They have been behind these guys completely and very progressive with the main issues over the years. Not playing seems to fit more of a kyrie conspiracy agenda. He's just different.
Dude is a flat earther
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6/16/2020  11:20 AM
I wonder if NBA front office types as well as owners for those teams participating are under the same restrictions and within the bubble
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smackeddog
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6/16/2020  2:28 PM
Glad Woj has been made to change his tune, his initial article was a disgrace:

Social statement: Play or not to play.....

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