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The more definitive balanced Melo poll


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Nalod
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There seems to be but two scenarios today, July 14, 2017 at 12:57pm.
12 votes
85.71%
Leave-continue rebuild and receive young player, some cap space, a pick.
2 votes
14.29%
Stay-cannot get a good deal that meets criteria, make it work with Jeff.


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Swishfm3
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7/14/2017  1:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2017  1:17 PM
You are such a troll. dude...step away from the internet and go outside.
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Bonn1997
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7/14/2017  1:21 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:You are such a troll. dude...step away from the internet and go outside.

What? Did you meant to put this in the J-Rod poll thread? Nalod posted two serious options. It's a poll that looks sincere rather than one where the real purpose is just to lash out against Melo critics.
Nalod
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7/14/2017  1:23 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:You are such a troll. dude...step away from the internet and go outside.

This poll gets your ire?

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7/14/2017  1:25 PM
I think the reason the trade is on hold is because they weren't going to get the first option. If Houston includes Gordon or Capella I think the deal gets worked out.
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Sinix
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7/14/2017  1:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2017  1:36 PM
I don't think they were ever planning to trade him in the first place.

The Cavs and Rockets are reportedly surprised talks just suddenly stopped. Knicks made a bunch of moves to make Melo happy which included firing Phil and signing THjr who he was very upset about being traded away originally.

This was all likely fake hustle from the beginning to get the media off Dolan, The Knicks and Melo.

Nalod
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7/14/2017  1:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think the reason the trade is on hold is because they weren't going to get the first option. If Houston includes Gordon or Capella I think the deal gets worked out.

I doubt Capella as ever on the table. Not because we are full at that position, its that Rockets place great value on him and his contract. He really was a big part of their surprise season last year.
As for Gordon, I suppose that is true.
There has been very little leaks on this trade regarding names and even teams involved. Cav's are in on it but all we read is Love not. I don't know how Cav's short of a buy out can be in it.. No names thrown out except Harkless and Leonard.

Knicks are reported to want:

A draft pick
A young player
Some cap space.

There is a lot of variable with all of that. In return you get a 33 year old that still made the all star team. He is in decline but good value if the expectation is "Olympic Melo" on a team with two other all stars.
I expect Melo would have already approved what ever role has been asked of him.

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7/14/2017  1:53 PM
Sinix wrote:I don't think they were ever planning to trade him in the first place.

The Cavs and Rockets are reportedly surprised talks just suddenly stopped. Knicks made a bunch of moves to make Melo happy which included firing Phil and signing THjr who he was very upset about being traded away originally.

This was all likely fake hustle from the beginning to get the media off Dolan, The Knicks and Melo.

Its a theory. Its yours. It stands on its own for ridicule.

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7/14/2017  1:59 PM
So Melo gets exactly what he was angling at for years when Phil gets fired and all of a sudden he wants to leave? And cavs and rockets are perplexed the Knicks are seemingly screwing around here?

Read between the lines. Melo got what he wants. Dolan loves Melo. He's not going anywhere.

Nalod
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7/14/2017  2:33 PM
Sinix wrote:So Melo gets exactly what he was angling at for years when Phil gets fired and all of a sudden he wants to leave? And cavs and rockets are perplexed the Knicks are seemingly screwing around here?

Read between the lines. Melo got what he wants. Dolan loves Melo. He's not going anywhere.

In a more balanced world were most things are in the middle I think that if Mills was disingenuous about trade that would be his first move and defacto head of Knicks, and would do much to harm his reputation.
There is and should be an honor amung "thieves" and deception is not usually accepted amung the 30 teams. Sure trades are sometimes imbalanced as mistakes are made or teams have agendas and hindsight does not smile upon them, but for Mills to waste that kind of time would isolate the knicks perhaps even worse than PHil might have.

Its entirely possible that teams had pushed back no Phil and would not enter into trade talks because he himself might have angered teams or been a bit bat shyt out of reality with some trade talks previously.
Or
He was ready to just buy him out providing no relief or value for the knicks.

We just don't know. I don't agree with your theory as it is short sighted. Dolan really does not care about what others think of him. Never has, never did.
Melo was seen in in Houstan. Paul is a Rocket. That is not "fake'. Also, Rockets as constructed are still behind the arms race out west.

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7/14/2017  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2017  2:40 PM
Nalod wrote:
Sinix wrote:So Melo gets exactly what he was angling at for years when Phil gets fired and all of a sudden he wants to leave? And cavs and rockets are perplexed the Knicks are seemingly screwing around here?

Read between the lines. Melo got what he wants. Dolan loves Melo. He's not going anywhere.

In a more balanced world were most things are in the middle I think that if Mills was disingenuous about trade that would be his first move and defacto head of Knicks, and would do much to harm his reputation.
There is and should be an honor amung "thieves" and deception is not usually accepted amung the 30 teams. Sure trades are sometimes imbalanced as mistakes are made or teams have agendas and hindsight does not smile upon them, but for Mills to waste that kind of time would isolate the knicks perhaps even worse than PHil might have.

Its entirely possible that teams had pushed back no Phil and would not enter into trade talks because he himself might have angered teams or been a bit bat shyt out of reality with some trade talks previously.
Or
He was ready to just buy him out providing no relief or value for the knicks.

We just don't know. I don't agree with your theory as it is short sighted. Dolan really does not care about what others think of him. Never has, never did.
Melo was seen in in Houstan. Paul is a Rocket. That is not "fake'. Also, Rockets as constructed are still behind the arms race out west.

It's a PR move to get knicks fans off the franchise and Melo's backs.

Just like when Melo reportedly screamed at KP for praising the triangle publicly.

They think about this stuff, especially Melo who is known for his passive aggressive behavior.

They are trying to take any responsibility they have towards Melo next season and putting on the Cavs or Rockets by saying they were unreasonable in trades. This is playing both sides of the fence 101. Mills/Melo/Dolan essentially saying 'Don't hate us, those other guys are the reason we didn't move on!' It covers them if Melo stays and plays bad and they can do the reverse and say it was their decision to keep him if Melo plays good.

Dolan does care A LOT about what other people think about him. In fact, I think that was 100% his motivation for canning Phil early. He didn't like being teased in public about Phil. Especially at his awful Jazz band concerts.

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7/14/2017  3:18 PM
its a good question, a fair question and like the last GM it will immediatly test the new one. Going to make nice with Melo has its upside. It allows all parties to be free to focus on playing basketball , coaching basketball and building a basketball team. Repairing the Melo relationship has more upside than a clean break. It shows the league that this org cares about its players and its relationships with players. A happy more positive Melo is not a bad thing to have around. That doesnt mean you still cant engage in talks with other teams. Also Melo's deal expires in 2 years when KP and Willy are due for extensions. That is significant because the cap holds for KP/Willy will likely be much less than what their salaries command.

If you are looking for a scenario where the Knicks use cap space for a big FA and then use bird rights to resign KP/Willy than keeping Melo certainly fits in that timeline.

The downside of course is it works like it did last year. Melo stagnates the offense, doesnt play much D and the team simply isnt good. Young talent get another year of the circus, etc etc.. Basically more of the Phil years.

Or you can just move him. Its hard to comment on the right or wrong there as we dont know the parameters of the deal. If its some late #1s and Ryan Anderson than no thanks.

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The more definitive balanced Melo poll

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