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How does Hornacek turn out?


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stanleybostitch
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How does Hornacek turn out for us - from unspeakable Rambis to underwhelming Fisher to guru-level Kerr?
1 votes
5.88%
Unspeakable Rambis
1 votes
5.88%
Underwhelming Fisher
4 votes
23.53%
Passable D'Antoni
10 votes
58.82%
Guru-level Kerr
1 votes
5.88%
Zen-master with _12_ rings


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nixluva
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5/19/2016  4:48 PM
It's so early and I would say that like any coach, the roster is gonna have a huge impact. IMO Jeff won't be the problem or holding this team back. He'll likely be a positive impact for this team and if Phil can upgrade the talent I expect the team to win.
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5/19/2016  5:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/19/2016  5:15 PM
The Hornacek/Phil team might be the smartest basketball mind combo of coach/prez in the game, so theres that. It will really come down to roster. I don't doubt they will get the most out of whatever players they have, but the back court needs to be fixed first for anything to work. Also, Hornacek is a younger coach in terms of experience, so he offers some upside and should improve from his first coaching gig. I value upside in coaching just like players. You want a coach who has some experience, but maybe not too much experience, so you know they can adapt and evolve. No more coaches who have been around the block. Mike Dantoni was a great hire back in 2008, but in 2016, what does a team like the Rockets get out of him that the rest of the teams haven't. With guys like Hornacek, Vogal, and Blatt, there's opportunity there.
nixluva
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5/19/2016  6:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:The Hornacek/Phil team might be the smartest basketball mind combo of coach/prez in the game, so theres that. It will really come down to roster. I don't doubt they will get the most out of whatever players they have, but the back court needs to be fixed first for anything to work. Also, Hornacek is a younger coach in terms of experience, so he offers some upside and should improve from his first coaching gig. I value upside in coaching just like players. You want a coach who has some experience, but maybe not too much experience, so you know they can adapt and evolve. No more coaches who have been around the block. Mike Dantoni was a great hire back in 2008, but in 2016, what does a team like the Rockets get out of him that the rest of the teams haven't. With guys like Hornacek, Vogal, and Blatt, there's opportunity there.

MDA is still respected by the coaching fraternity. It wasn't really his fault that his most recent GM's didn't buy in fully to what he does. If Houston buys in and gets him the players he needs they should do well. Basically everyone is trying to do what he started. I doubt he'll be a fish out of water.

I'm just glad that Jeff has a range of experience with different styles and he's proven he can coach a modern style. If he can blend the aspects of Triangle and some Modern features then we'll be in great shape. He was running a 2 guard front in PHX which is similar to what you do in the Triangle. There is some overlap there.

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5/19/2016  11:52 PM
Thanks for the replies - I was wondering what the consensus was, and from reading the boards and this poll, looks like we have the east coast Kerr on our hands.
The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
nixluva
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5/20/2016  1:58 AM
stanleybostitch wrote:Thanks for the replies - I was wondering what the consensus was, and from reading the boards and this poll, looks like we have the east coast Kerr on our hands.

Let's hope so. I do like what this decision means for this team. It's a new beginning and a great opening salvo going into the Draft and Free Agency. It's all about upgrading the guards now.

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5/20/2016  2:15 AM
I'm optimistic about jeff. can't wait for next season
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5/20/2016  9:42 AM
Those choices were not very realistic...so I went with the optimistic choice...12 rings, biatches!!!!
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5/20/2016  10:44 AM
Im just happy rambis is not gonna be the coach. However i do like hornacek. He did a good job in Phoenix before things fell apart this year.
Knixkik
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5/20/2016  10:55 AM
nixluva wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The Hornacek/Phil team might be the smartest basketball mind combo of coach/prez in the game, so theres that. It will really come down to roster. I don't doubt they will get the most out of whatever players they have, but the back court needs to be fixed first for anything to work. Also, Hornacek is a younger coach in terms of experience, so he offers some upside and should improve from his first coaching gig. I value upside in coaching just like players. You want a coach who has some experience, but maybe not too much experience, so you know they can adapt and evolve. No more coaches who have been around the block. Mike Dantoni was a great hire back in 2008, but in 2016, what does a team like the Rockets get out of him that the rest of the teams haven't. With guys like Hornacek, Vogal, and Blatt, there's opportunity there.

MDA is still respected by the coaching fraternity. It wasn't really his fault that his most recent GM's didn't buy in fully to what he does. If Houston buys in and gets him the players he needs they should do well. Basically everyone is trying to do what he started. I doubt he'll be a fish out of water.

I'm just glad that Jeff has a range of experience with different styles and he's proven he can coach a modern style. If he can blend the aspects of Triangle and some Modern features then we'll be in great shape. He was running a 2 guard front in PHX which is similar to what you do in the Triangle. There is some overlap there.

I agree about MDA. Always respected and he's still a good coach. My point is, your upside is limited with a coach like him. His development as a coach is at a standstill, whereas some of these other guys will continue to improve if all goes well. Same with hiring George Karl. Zero upside with that. Hornacek falls into that category of upside coaches.

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5/20/2016  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2016  11:04 AM
It really came down to the "Anyone but Rambis" ethos. Horny isn't a sexy pick at all, but if he has "Simpatico" with Phil that's all that matters right?

My only concern is trying to win too many games this season, jeopardizing a top 5 pick in a strong 2017 NBA draft. If Phil/Horny's smart, they'll just spend most of the season implementing Horny's offense and mixing and matching rotations to get to their hopefully 25-30 wins and a decent shot in the lottery. If they somehow max a free agent like a Batum, Conley, Jennings, Derozan, Rondo etc, we're phucking doomed to 40 win mediocrity for the next few years.

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5/20/2016  1:51 PM
From all accounts, he's a true player's coach, and he must have the intellectual chops to at least impress Phil enough who knows he can't swing and miss again with the coach. I am truly starting to believe the Fish hiring was some sort of Durant bait in Phil's mind.

Going to be interesting to see what happens to Rambis though.

nixluva
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5/20/2016  3:20 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:It really came down to the "Anyone but Rambis" ethos. Horny isn't a sexy pick at all, but if he has "Simpatico" with Phil that's all that matters right?

My only concern is trying to win too many games this season, jeopardizing a top 5 pick in a strong 2017 NBA draft. If Phil/Horny's smart, they'll just spend most of the season implementing Horny's offense and mixing and matching rotations to get to their hopefully 25-30 wins and a decent shot in the lottery. If they somehow max a free agent like a Batum, Conley, Jennings, Derozan, Rondo etc, we're phucking doomed to 40 win mediocrity for the next few years.

I see no way this team doesn't have another sizeable jump in wins next season. If Horn implements his system it will be EASIER for the players to grasp and more comfortable to their skills. That's not a recipe for struggle. Sounds like a way for this team to possibly overachieve depending on who they bring in. If they run Triangle only 15-20% as I would imagine would happen, then I think this team would not have a lottery type season.

IMO If Phil has a good summer upgrading the guard spots this team could do what I had expected they'd do this year and get to the 45 win range. They lost a lot of close games this year that they could actually win with better talent and an easier system to run. It's really gonna come down to which guards Phil is able to add and how much Horn can develop the young guards we already have.

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