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EnySpree
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Who's starting at the 4?
3 votes
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Melo
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45.16%
Kristaps
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19.35%
Kyle O'Quinn
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25.81%
Derrick Williams
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0%
Kevin Seraphin
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0%
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8/7/2015  10:10 AM
I voted O'Quinn because he's a facilitator. He's a very good passer no matter where he is on the court. He's a good rebounder and defender. Doesn't waste time or make extra moves or try to over do it. I think we need him to start.

Kristaps needs to prove it in practice. He needs to be groomed properly not thrown to the fire.

Kevin Seraphin actually could start but I think he's better suited off the bench With this group. He'll tear up the second unit and is a good compliment to Robin at center

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8/7/2015  10:11 AM
This is an easy one.

If Kristaps carries over his defensive play from Summer League, he should be a shoo in. Him and Lopez could be potentially the best defensive frontcourt in the Atlantic Division easily.

Forget about offense for a minute, when was the last time the Knicks held opponents in check for the first quarter?

Need to set a tone defensively, while everyone figures out their offensive assignments.

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8/7/2015  10:17 AM
KP46 is starting but they will probably limit his minutes. I see him playing around 25-30 min in the first couple of months.
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8/7/2015  10:55 AM
I think it will be Derrick Williams.

I don't see us starting KP - he is maybe the 2nd or 3rd front court player off the bench.

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8/7/2015  11:05 AM
Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a chance.
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8/7/2015  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/7/2015  11:07 AM
Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a shot and his even f that happens melo + williams is an utter disaster.
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8/7/2015  11:06 AM
I voted O'Quinn. I think Drago eventually wins the job, but further into the season.
Our depth in the front court is stronger than the back court - while I'm sure Melo will see some stretches at the 4, I can't imagine we start off with that lineup (unless you see Melo and Williams playing an interchangeable 3/4).

Definitely have some versatility with the lineups this year.

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8/7/2015  12:03 PM
TPercy wrote:Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a chance.

All i have to say is Kevin Seraphin...

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8/7/2015  2:36 PM
I think it'll be Porzingis. He'll only get 20-25min, but I think he starts.
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8/7/2015  3:09 PM
Porzingis. I can't see us going small. I just don't think putting Afflalo at the 3 benefits him in the triangle. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll probably use it some. If Melo is the 3, I think KP starts. We need shooting and scoring from somewhere. Our bench is going to have very little offense though.
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8/7/2015  3:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/7/2015  3:17 PM
DW.

Would've been KP with O'Quinn at C but for some reason we paid Lopez $14mil for 4yrs. I like the Lopez/DW frontline. I just don't understand why we overpaid Lopez by $5mil per.

Maybe the Knicks figure by year 4 KP will be starting and they can trade Lopez or let him walk

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8/7/2015  4:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:DW.

Would've been KP with O'Quinn at C but for some reason we paid Lopez $14mil for 4yrs. I like the Lopez/DW frontline. I just don't understand why we overpaid Lopez by $5mil per.

Maybe the Knicks figure by year 4 KP will be starting and they can trade Lopez or let him walk

That's kinda the beauty of how contracts were doled out. No player is immovable. The money is pretty spread out, and with the cap increase to 100mill, we have that flexibility to move pieces if need be.

Lopez $14m will be like $8 or $9mill next year. No player's contract is an albatross or outlier, anybody can be moved even Me7o's $24m which will be like $18m next year.

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8/7/2015  4:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/7/2015  4:16 PM
gunsnewing wrote:DW.

Would've been KP with O'Quinn at C but for some reason we paid Lopez $14mil for 4yrs. I like the Lopez/DW frontline. I just don't understand why we overpaid Lopez by $5mil per.

Maybe the Knicks figure by year 4 KP will be starting and they can trade Lopez or let him walk

Everybody was over paid 5 mil or more.....Not just Lopez!

But thats not Lopez fault and that has nothing to do with what he brings to the team.

He's still a valuable asset to have and like you said, will be a valuable trading chip after 3 years.

Also, your salary should never dictate your playing time.....I hope Fisher feels the same way!

Melo is the only player that must start.....The rest should be based on chemistry!

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8/7/2015  4:54 PM
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a chance.

All i have to say is Kevin Seraphin...

Seraphin is a center. He will likely play 3rd string or most likely share minutes with O Quinn. He may show out at training camp and maybe the give him the spot. Who knows.

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8/7/2015  10:21 PM
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a chance.

All i have to say is Kevin Seraphin...

Seraphin is a center. He will likely play 3rd string or most likely share minutes with O Quinn. He may show out at training camp and maybe the give him the spot. Who knows.

You are severely underrating our players. On the flip side you can argue that I'm over rating our players.

Kevin Seraphin and kyle o'quinn could start at the 4 for us...neither have started consistently for their previous teams but both are young and are with a team that can provide them with an opportunity. Both players have established themselves in this league. Kristaps and Derrick Williams have not. For them is more of a wait and see. Seraphin and O'Quinn you know what you will get with extended minutes.

In my opinion you have to start O'Quinn at the 4 for a more versatile steady facilitator at the 4. He will rebound, defend and hit the jumper. He compliments melo and Robin in the front court.

Kristaps should be able to produce off the bench no problem. I do not think he's ready for 30 mins and a starting position. I feel he needs to prove that in his development. Seraphin is a legit post threat and will be great backing up both o'quinn and Robin.

Derrick williams is the wild card because we don't know what he is going to bring.

training camp will settle it. Fisher is not going to play guys just because. I can't wait

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8/7/2015  10:54 PM
NYKBocker wrote:KP46 is starting but they will probably limit his minutes. I see him playing around 25-30 min in the first couple of months.

KP46, I like that!!!

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8/8/2015  1:07 AM
Honestly I think it's:
C (1)Lopez - (2)Seraphin - (3)O'Quinn
PF (1)Willams - (2)Porzingis - (3)O'Quinn

Amundson as the ultimate practice player and tone/culture setter veteran who can fill in and produced when his number is called despite inconsistent minutes. Same for LT at SF.

No reason to over-work Melo any more than he has already when you have LT, Early, Thanasis & KP to eat up those minutes

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8/8/2015  2:16 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:No player is immovable.


Calderon and Derrick Williams look like dead contracts to me. ( I.E. a positive asset or several needs to be moved with them to get them off the roster)

Williams, inexplicably, has a player option for that 2nd year. Phil Jackson just set 10 million on fire. Literally took 10 million and burned it to ash.

If Affalo suffers a moderate to major injury, he also has a players option, which would make him a dead contract if he had season ending injury at any point.

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8/8/2015  3:03 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:No player is immovable.


Calderon and Derrick Williams look like dead contracts to me. ( I.E. a positive asset or several needs to be moved with them to get them off the roster)

Williams, inexplicably, has a player option for that 2nd year. Phil Jackson just set 10 million on fire. Literally took 10 million and burned it to ash.

If Affalo suffers a moderate to major injury, he also has a players option, which would make him a dead contract if he had season ending injury at any point.

You can say that about any Knick. Whether it comes to fruition we will find out. Trading Tyson for Calderon has already proven to be one of the worst trades in the history of the NBA. As for DW & Affalo we will have to wait and see. Could turn out great for all we know. In other words those players and the moves to get them here have nothing to do with last year's moves. Tyson for Calderon is its own entity. Let's wait and see

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8/8/2015  4:55 AM
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:Easily Porzingis. Kyle O Quinn will be our back up center. He is a proven rim protector and that is where his position should be in my opinion. If o Quinn starts there, that forces Porgy to be our back up center and I don't think he is ready body wise to play there yet. Williams needs to prove that he can step it up before we give him a chance.

All i have to say is Kevin Seraphin...

Seraphin is a center. He will likely play 3rd string or most likely share minutes with O Quinn. He may show out at training camp and maybe the give him the spot. Who knows.

You are severely underrating our players. On the flip side you can argue that I'm over rating our players.

Kevin Seraphin and kyle o'quinn could start at the 4 for us...neither have started consistently for their previous teams but both are young and are with a team that can provide them with an opportunity. Both players have established themselves in this league. Kristaps and Derrick Williams have not. For them is more of a wait and see. Seraphin and O'Quinn you know what you will get with extended minutes.

In my opinion you have to start O'Quinn at the 4 for a more versatile steady facilitator at the 4. He will rebound, defend and hit the jumper. He compliments melo and Robin in the front court.

Kristaps should be able to produce off the bench no problem. I do not think he's ready for 30 mins and a starting position. I feel he needs to prove that in his development. Seraphin is a legit post threat and will be great backing up both o'quinn and Robin.

Derrick williams is the wild card because we don't know what he is going to bring.

training camp will settle it. Fisher is not going to play guys just because. I can't wait

I'm not underratin any of our players. I prefer O Quinn to be our back up center because he is a trust worthy rim protector and someone who I trust to back up Robin Lopez and gradually evolve into a starter over the years as he develops as robin lopez gets older.

Seraphin has averaged 15 minutes per game (there about) for the Wizards and has always played as a center since he came out of college despite his rookie year. So why the hell are we talking a wizards scrub and automatically slotting him in our starting lineup? Because he plays in the magical triangle?let's get real and put away these unrealistic expectsrions of our players. Seraphin has potential, but let's see what he can do and slowly bring him up. Remember- he has him terrible ball IQ, amare stoudemire level bball IQ.

You are right , Derrick Williams may surprise us, but based on his terrible past I don't want him anywhere near the rotation never mind the starting lineup.until he proves that he can put it together here.

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