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Will the Knicks defense be just as awful as it was last year?
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Defense will be just as awful.
6 votes
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Defense will slightly less awful.
9 votes
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Defense will be almost not awful.
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Defense will be not awful.


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meloanyk
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7/6/2015  11:55 AM
Fischer should try to lure Thibodeau to take over as defensive coach during his break from head coaching. Bulls were always one of better D teams despite having some individuals that werent all that. Could see him maxing Lopez D abilities and pushing kids like Williams .
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7/6/2015  12:00 PM
We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.
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7/6/2015  12:03 PM
You got to figure that Lopez and O'quinn if healthy will be guarding the paint so that should help a lot. We'll probably be at the middle of the pack defensively based on that alone. If if 2016 the knicks should look into getting an above average Wing player.
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7/6/2015  12:11 PM
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

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7/6/2015  12:31 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

I know, right? For the first time in a long-time the team has a culture of play (the triangle) and a team identity (defense first). I think that we are easily a playoff team as constructed (if healthy). That's enough reason to be optimistic moving forward......though I still think we should've dealt Melo to MIA for Justise Winslow and rebuild, lol. But I can certainly get behind this team and enjoy them for what they are and what they can be if we are able to augment them with additional talent come 2016.
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7/6/2015  12:49 PM
I think Phil has brought in enough defense that this team will in no way be a poor defensive team again. There's a toughness to the roster now that wasn't there. There will be resistance given this year and teams won't feel free to just do what they want. We had way more atrocious defenders last year. Being more efficient on offense should help as well. It's gonna take more time and work to really get this team to an elite level defensively but this is a good start to reshaping the roster.

Robin Lopez and Kyle O'Quinn (O'Queens ) is a good start but we need more. I think KP will be a good help defender. His length and quickness will get him a lot of blocks IMO. I think Jerian, Afflalo and Galloway are solid. It'll be interesting to see how Phil fills out the rest of the roster. Most likely he'll add a couple more defensive players along with another scoring guard is my guess.
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7/6/2015  12:50 PM
Much improved. Calderon playing less and all the added size alone will drastically improve our D. Maybe not 10 but top 15? You saw better defense when Galloway, Amundsen & Thomas joined the team
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7/6/2015  1:12 PM
Lets compare from last year
Caledron
Larkin
Priggs
THJR
Shump
JR
Melo
Early
Acy
Wear
Amare
Smith
Bargs
Cole
Off that list. We only had two decent guard defenders and two adequate big/forward defenders
Now we have this
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Thanasis
Lopez
Oquinn
We have two more defenders for this season(maybe more), so it will be improved.
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OldFan
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7/6/2015  1:45 PM
At first I thought the defense would be much better based on who we picked up this summer. But, the case could also be made that if Melo starts at PF, Calderon starts at PG and we have another weak defender at SF - we're still pretty weak. I'm really not sure how much better we'll be. So, I wanted to see what everyone else thinks.

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7/6/2015  1:49 PM
We need a mix then..
Caledron/Grant
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Lopez

In situations where we need pure defense, we can put out
Grant
Galloway
Thanasis/Thomas
OQuinn
Lopez

last year the best we could do was
Larkin
Shump
ACY
WEar
Cole

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7/6/2015  1:51 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

I know, right? For the first time in a long-time the team has a culture of play (the triangle) and a team identity (defense first). I think that we are easily a playoff team as constructed (if healthy). That's enough reason to be optimistic moving forward......though I still think we should've dealt Melo to MIA for Justise Winslow and rebuild, lol. But I can certainly get behind this team and enjoy them for what they are and what they can be if we are able to augment them with additional talent come 2016.

I wasn't against dealing Melo, but would expect a whole lot more than just Winslow (who I'm not sold on.)
Now that we have rebuilt the team with a new identity, I'm really excited/interested to see how Melo does within this system.
If he can't play in it as required then I imagine we trade him to a team he agrees to. If he plays well and limits his ISO's, then it is going to be really fun to watch.
KP and Grant will be more ready next year and we have all that cap space - fun fun.

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7/6/2015  4:17 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

I know, right? For the first time in a long-time the team has a culture of play (the triangle) and a team identity (defense first). I think that we are easily a playoff team as constructed (if healthy). That's enough reason to be optimistic moving forward......though I still think we should've dealt Melo to MIA for Justise Winslow and rebuild, lol. But I can certainly get behind this team and enjoy them for what they are and what they can be if we are able to augment them with additional talent come 2016.

I wasn't against dealing Melo, but would expect a whole lot more than just Winslow (who I'm not sold on.)
Now that we have rebuilt the team with a new identity, I'm really excited/interested to see how Melo does within this system.
If he can't play in it as required then I imagine we trade him to a team he agrees to. If he plays well and limits his ISO's, then it is going to be really fun to watch.
KP and Grant will be more ready next year and we have all that cap space - fun fun.


I like the idea of KP and RoLo starting. Their collective length will really be a deterrent in the paint and our perimeter guys need to funnel their men towards them. Makes me wonder what sort of defensive approach we'll be using next year.
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7/6/2015  11:22 PM
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

I know, right? For the first time in a long-time the team has a culture of play (the triangle) and a team identity (defense first). I think that we are easily a playoff team as constructed (if healthy). That's enough reason to be optimistic moving forward......though I still think we should've dealt Melo to MIA for Justise Winslow and rebuild, lol. But I can certainly get behind this team and enjoy them for what they are and what they can be if we are able to augment them with additional talent come 2016.

I wasn't against dealing Melo, but would expect a whole lot more than just Winslow (who I'm not sold on.)
Now that we have rebuilt the team with a new identity, I'm really excited/interested to see how Melo does within this system.
If he can't play in it as required then I imagine we trade him to a team he agrees to. If he plays well and limits his ISO's, then it is going to be really fun to watch.
KP and Grant will be more ready next year and we have all that cap space - fun fun.


I like the idea of KP and RoLo starting. Their collective length will really be a deterrent in the paint and our perimeter guys need to funnel their men towards them. Makes me wonder what sort of defensive approach we'll be using next year.

I don't expect KP to be a good defensive player this year. If that happened it would be great, but it's a lot to ask. As long as he improves his defense between the beginning and end of the year I'll be happy.
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7/7/2015  12:53 AM
Just as awful.
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7/7/2015  10:47 AM
of course better. It would almost be impossible to not be better.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Melonoma wrote:Just as awful.

Why?

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7/7/2015  2:06 PM
Until the D.Fisher's , Kurt Rambis and Jimmy Cleamons not only get skillset players for D'
but TEACH it, I think you cant expect that yet other than from 4 spot Robin Lopez ..his experience
at least gives a chance to be slightly better on Defender end teamwise.

Other than that I hold defense entirely to Derrick Fisher coaching staff
and I am not yet impressed by DFish as a coach , we need to find what Knicks "Identity" will be built toward
outside the fre_aking Triangle Offense.

Thus that is my huge issue with Fisher, we need identity and since he is knicks floor boss/coach
I do not know what he's trying to accomplish teamwise or individually, whether PG play , Zone or man to man defense.

Fisher needs lots of seasoning. He got a few players lets see what that's about!

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7/7/2015  6:21 PM
OldFan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:We'll be one of the top 15 defensive teams in the league, which would be a radically improvement. I am concerned about how we'll be able to score the ball outside of Melo though. So much hinges on Afflalo re-discovering his Orlando form and on Derrick Williams having a coming out party.

I don't actually get this thread???
We now have an arguably a team that will be around 10-15 in defense, or better - I wouldn't be shocked at all to seem much better. I don't think we will ever touch another team as bad as last years...

I know, right? For the first time in a long-time the team has a culture of play (the triangle) and a team identity (defense first). I think that we are easily a playoff team as constructed (if healthy). That's enough reason to be optimistic moving forward......though I still think we should've dealt Melo to MIA for Justise Winslow and rebuild, lol. But I can certainly get behind this team and enjoy them for what they are and what they can be if we are able to augment them with additional talent come 2016.

I wasn't against dealing Melo, but would expect a whole lot more than just Winslow (who I'm not sold on.)
Now that we have rebuilt the team with a new identity, I'm really excited/interested to see how Melo does within this system.
If he can't play in it as required then I imagine we trade him to a team he agrees to. If he plays well and limits his ISO's, then it is going to be really fun to watch.
KP and Grant will be more ready next year and we have all that cap space - fun fun.


I like the idea of KP and RoLo starting. Their collective length will really be a deterrent in the paint and our perimeter guys need to funnel their men towards them. Makes me wonder what sort of defensive approach we'll be using next year.

I don't expect KP to be a good defensive player this year. If that happened it would be great, but it's a lot to ask. As long as he improves his defense between the beginning and end of the year I'll be happy.


KP needs to learn proper NBA level D but he's 7'3" with long arms. He's gonna get blocks just by accident. I'm not so worried about him on D. I think this team can really be good defensively with the added length and mobility we have now. With KP and RoLo starting it would give us some serious length and help D. Analysts aren't really thinking about how this team could look defensively but I like what Phil has done so far. He's not done yet but this is a good start.
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7/8/2015  2:59 PM
KP is 7'3 but he's either going to be covering bigs who are much stronger than him or smalls who are much faster, both are going to be more experienced. Most rookies have trouble with defense. KP is 19 and lacks strength. I think expecting him to be a plus defensive player as a rookie or even average is expecting a lot. I expect him to start the season as a sub par defensive player and hopefully start figuring it out as the year goes on.

I hope you're right, but I don't see it.
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7/8/2015  4:55 PM
OldFan wrote:KP is 7'3 but he's either going to be covering bigs who are much stronger than him or smalls who are much faster, both are going to be more experienced. Most rookies have trouble with defense. KP is 19 and lacks strength. I think expecting him to be a plus defensive player as a rookie or even average is expecting a lot. I expect him to start the season as a sub par defensive player and hopefully start figuring it out as the year goes on.

I hope you're right, but I don't see it.

of course he will struggle as a rookie

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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