What do you think Isiah is whispering in Dolan's ear?

BRIGGS wrote:No if it happens it happens infrastructure of team is goal 1

I tend to agree with this.

If your goal is to simply reach the playoffs, you might be able to that if you do what the Nets did a few years ago, or even what the Knicks did, when they had their geriatric lineup... the one that eventually broke down.

Neither team was set up for the long run. The Nets had some success, but they are also set up for a fall, IMO.

I'd like to have a team where we are not scrambling around to patch together a decent roster each season. You want your core vets, some developing young players, and you fill in the gaps through FA or trades. It would also be nice to have a stable management/coach situation.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No if it happens it happens infrastructure of team is goal 1

I tend to agree with this.

If your goal is to simply reach the playoffs, you might be able to that if you do what the Nets did a few years ago, or even what the Knicks did, when they had their geriatric lineup... the one that eventually broke down.

Neither team was set up for the long run. The Nets had some success, but they are also set up for a fall, IMO.

I'd like to have a team where we are not scrambling around to patch together a decent roster each season. You want your core vets, some developing young players, and you fill in the gaps through FA or trades. It would also be nice to have a stable management/coach situation.

I agree with you both - I'd like to build infrastructure for a true contender. But, come on, Phil and Melo have 3-4 years left and they want to win now. Expect all the moves to reflect that. They aren't in this for the long haul, they're in it for the next few seasons. And we know Dolan has no patience.

Nalod wrote:I'd say the goal need be set when we see what the roster is and then determine what need be accomplished.
Nets should be a good lesson on how to spend and really not get anywhere. Actually Isiah can teach that course. Nets followed the blueprint but at least makes the playoffs.

If we are building a foundation then year two after the demolition need be addressed after the draft, free agency/trades and summer league to maybe cherry pick some potential.

If we have a front court that includes Monroe and Melo the rookie guard will need time. If we luck out cuz LA wants a guard then we'll need to get one!

Playoffs? It would be nice but it has to be "organic" and not artificially "Starphuched"!

Knicks had last "organic" playoff team in 1998... It's last century.
When organization sucks to this extend the goal is baby steps...
But they think they are the best... you know... winners in life.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No if it happens it happens infrastructure of team is goal
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The priority should be playoffs, you have a 22 million dollar star in his prime, you can't take your time and build and go on a "lets see what happens" approach.

I don't think the Knicks can definitely believe they will make any playoffs. They can hope but building the team correctly so that we can have a longer term upwards movement is by far the best choice.

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No if it happens it happens infrastructure of team is goal 1

I tend to agree with this.

If your goal is to simply reach the playoffs, you might be able to that if you do what the Nets did a few years ago, or even what the Knicks did, when they had their geriatric lineup... the one that eventually broke down.

Neither team was set up for the long run. The Nets had some success, but they are also set up for a fall, IMO.

I'd like to have a team where we are not scrambling around to patch together a decent roster each season. You want your core vets, some developing young players, and you fill in the gaps through FA or trades. It would also be nice to have a stable management/coach situation.

I agree with you both - I'd like to build infrastructure for a true contender. But, come on, Phil and Melo have 3-4 years left and they want to win now. Expect all the moves to reflect that. They aren't in this for the long haul, they're in it for the next few seasons. And we know Dolan has no patience.

The real killer, for me, was the Bargs trade, otherwise we could have had the high lottery pick we have this year, and a good one next year.

If we had next year's pick, and really wanted to do a rebuild, maybe Phil would have fought with Dolan and done a sign and trade with Anthony (assuming this was possible-I'm not always up on the limitations placed on teams)and gotten another #1 and a younger player to develop. We would have had the worst record in the NBA this year, most likely, and would probably have a high lottery pick in 2016.

You are correct- as soon as you sign Anthony you are saying that the "rebuild" will be more rushed than you normally want it to be. Phil has talked about developing players for the long term, but it is hard to do this if you are building around an aging star. We do have a lot of cap space, though, which will obviously be helpful, but instead of looking at younger guys to develop, we might have to pick up players who can do more for us immediately.

I've been shot down in this forum for suggesting that Jackson will craft his team based on what Anthony can and cannot do on the court, but this has to be true to a certain extent, IMO.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No if it happens it happens infrastructure of team is goal 1

I tend to agree with this.

If your goal is to simply reach the playoffs, you might be able to that if you do what the Nets did a few years ago, or even what the Knicks did, when they had their geriatric lineup... the one that eventually broke down.

Neither team was set up for the long run. The Nets had some success, but they are also set up for a fall, IMO.

I'd like to have a team where we are not scrambling around to patch together a decent roster each season. You want your core vets, some developing young players, and you fill in the gaps through FA or trades. It would also be nice to have a stable management/coach situation.

I agree with you both - I'd like to build infrastructure for a true contender. But, come on, Phil and Melo have 3-4 years left and they want to win now. Expect all the moves to reflect that. They aren't in this for the long haul, they're in it for the next few seasons. And we know Dolan has no patience.

Unfortunately, I tend to agree with you.

The real killer, for me, was the Bargs trade, otherwise we could have had the high lottery pick we have this year, and a good one next year.

If we had next year's pick, and really wanted to do a rebuild, maybe Phil would have fought with Dolan and done a sign and trade with Anthony (assuming this was possible-I'm not always up on the limitations placed on teams)and gotten another #1 and a younger player to develop. We would have had the worst record in the NBA this year, most likely, and would probably have a high lottery pick in 2016.

You are correct- as soon as you sign Anthony you are saying that the "rebuild" will be more rushed than you normally want it to be. Phil has talked about developing players for the long term, but it is hard to do this if you are building around an aging star. We do have a lot of cap space, though, which will obviously be helpful, but instead of looking at younger guys to develop, we might have to pick up players who can do more for us immediately.

I've been shot down in this forum for suggesting that Jackson will craft his team based on what Anthony can and cannot do on the court, but this has to be true to a certain extent, IMO.