Nalod wrote:If I had to pick, really neither but I'll take Chandlers expiring and move forward with Starphuchedness outlook that the Capspace in cahoots with CAA is going to be magical with the Return of Melo!

Really, this is what its like to be knick fan, hoping on this abstract. Since we don't draft pilar stones given our distaste to rebuild "forbidden in mecca" then I'll ride with FluTyson than the Asik.

Asik is nice player but I'd rather dream of Kevin Love for the next 18 months then commit to Asik.

I doubt we get Love but thats not what its all about.

Asik only has one year left on his contract, same as Chandler. If Asik's contract were longer, I would've never even thought of this.

In stead of giving major minutes to STAT and Kmart, let them slowly get back in to NBA shape, for a couple games playing backup, while Tyler is building confidence
NOTHING is wrong with that, at all, Poppavich gives his bench players the chance to showcase and build confidence in themselves
He lets them make mistakes and then corrects them *SOMETIMES in a not very nice way but very efficient and to the point, instead of the STAREDOWN Woodson does*
It is called PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

I don't need Tyler to start every game, I would like to give him a couple starts to reward him for his recent play, and give him a taste of being in a starting lineup vs on the bench vs bench players, so he knows what he needs to work on in practice to get to where he needs to be
Then still keep him in our rotation of PF/C especially at C, I think he speeds the game up, and he rotates/gets to the spots needed for the offensive rebound, charge, block shot, and timely cuts that Chandler is unable to do with his lack of speed/mobility
With Woodson, I fear he will pull the Copeland.

Despite Copeland having a career ending season run that was building momentum over the course of the season, working on his DEF/REBOUNDING and listening to his coach/mentors in Wallace/Camby/Thomas, and using it for our the playoffs. He was shot down with one poor game with a few minutes in the playoffs despite obviously needing his ability to spread the floor vs The Pacer's and Hibbert at PF/C, his ability to hit wide open 3pt shots, or draw the big man out and drive pass him to score or pass it back out to another player that earns a step for them, this was great for Melo and the Knick's spacing

Copeland's last 7 games alone he was averaging over 20pts, shooting over 50-55% in FG %, over 40% in 3pt with about 2 per game when used, high FT % shooter, he was about 5-7rebs a game but he improved on his BOXING OUT greatly, and he was doing all of this ALL THE TIME when given over 25minutes with consistency throughout the entire season

LOOK AT COPLELAND'S GAMELOG WHEN HE GETS OVER 25minutes a game, he does it in the flow of the game as well, when his shot is defended, he either moves the ball, or drives in for a pullup, all the way, or to dish it back out, which STATS don't show

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5096/gamelog/?season=2012_2

So Copeland had a bad 10minutes in his first playoff game, look at how JR played and was enabled with Melo to take poor shots after poor shots against a PLAYOFF contending DEFENSE
Pablo was picked on with Kidd every minute played forcing help in addition to Chandler getting abused, but Woodson puts in the same players expecting a different result, that isn't coaching

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5096/gamelog/?season=2012_3

So despite how well he played, Woodson favored hurt players over him which is another mental midget in my books, especially the way Hibbert was cheating and Chandler was getting abused
We were unable to get in the paint, period, everything was contested jumpers or 3pters because of Hibbert's help defense in addition to the size/athleticism/length and great, stubborn, DEF and rebounding of the Pacer's

The way we play, we generally do not look to make our opponents exert too much energy on DEFENSE
Basketball is all about making your opponent exert the most energy on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE, all with team work, deception, establishing dominance (if we have it), establishing role players, and reading our defense will continue to try to play and defend us

Like a boxer, we have to generate our own rhythm, sucking our opponent to play in to our motions, and ALL great team that won rings controls the tempo of the game
While we need to figure out how do disrupt our opponents OFFENSE, with different schemes, and without HELP for most players, (using deception on both offense and defense)
On DEFENSE that is why having a lock down defender at the SF and G/F position is very important, in addition to having 2 shot blockers/rebounders that are mobile so help can come in different directions and without being easily anticipated

And on OFFENSE taking quality high % shots with consistency, sometimes taking jabs just to see how they will play us, and then figure out a scheme that would totally catch them off guard. It is like a dance, going back and forth, then making our opponents question every play who to double, if they should double, who to leave open, and question themselves, like we often find ourselves doing now....

for example

Perkins (view him as a poor contract and would look to unload one of our poor contracts in Felton/Pablo/MWP, would consider buying him out or having him play Cole Alrich's role with
Nick Collison *solid rotation bench player that is under rated*
Thabo Sefolosha *expiring that would probably be our best G/F defender*
Hasheem Thabeet (non guaranteed contract)
Perry Jones or Jeremy Lamb *both players can break out if given the opportunity* or another 2 2nd round picks, 1 not owned by OKC or 1st rounder owned by OKC

and 1st rounder not owned by OKC

for

Chandler or AB (likely Chandler would provide defense/size/leadership that they lack but AB is the opposite that can spread the floor, regardless both would be huge upgrades compared to Perkins, Chandler would also help the development of Steven Adams who is similar in terms of size/lack of skills/body build

Iman Shumpert *I think will never develop here in NYK and with Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka and their philosophy, a trade would be the best motivation for him along with gym rats that appreciate the effort he brings on DEFENSE, not to mention fit in players that can create for each other*
He doesn't have to create, handle the ball, and would thrive in an uptempo system

Felton *poor contract but is an upgrade over Fisher when Westbrook is out as backup that he is suppose to be*
They are still one of the top 4 teams in the West and they are contenders with Durant's improvement along with Ibaka, Reggie Jackson *another player BRIGGS's liked prior to his draft*, and the health of Westbrook

MWP
Pablo
Cole Alrich for salary reasons if needed

They don't want to pay Sefelosha and Iman is under contract for a couple more years and still with a lot of potential
IF he regains his old defensive self, the combination of Westbrook and Iman together could be a dangerous combo

Westbrook/Reggie Jackson
Iman/Lamb
Durant
Ibaka
Chandler

Reggie Jackson
Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones *one of which I want back*
Raymond Felton
Nick Collison
Steven Adams

the rest plug in and play
MWP
Pablo
Fisher
Andre Robertson
Royal Ivey (who I also like as veteran 3rd string PG/G)

For Knicks, it is just about collecting assets, and the development of Tyler, in addition to dividing the playing time between

AB having success spreading the floor at C
Kmart
STAT
development of Tyler
development of Perry Jones or Lamb

either 2 OKC's 1st round picks, one of which is owned by Dallas and the other by OKC (or for OKC's 1st round pick, having 2 future 2nd round picks, one of which is not owned by OKC and NOT Phillys since it is top 50 protected

2014 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via L.A. Lakers to Houston) protected for selections 1-20 in 2014, 1-20 in 2015, 1-20 in 2016 or 1-20 in 2017 or unprotected in 2018 [Dallas-L.A. Lakers, 12/11/2011 and then Houston-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012 and then Houston-Oklahoma City, 10/27/2012]

2014 second round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 2014 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City (via Memphis) protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 (if this pick falls within either of its protected ranges and is therefore not conveyed, then Philadelphia's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Memphis-Philadelphia, 8/22/2013 and then Boston-Memphis-Oklahoma City, 1/7/2014]

2017 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2017 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 31-35; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Memphis will instead convey its 2018 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Boston-Memphis-Oklahoma City, 1/7/2014]

PERKINS is literally trash and is undersized however, we get rid of the contracts of Felton, Pablo, MWP, and don't have to worry about paying Iman either in 2015
2015 is still my goal for the best interest of the team, with or without MELO

but

by making a trade like this, I am not sure if it decreases Melo's chances of staying or not
I think they should trade Melo UNLESS he takes his option to opt out off, my opinion, we cannot afford to let him walk for nothing and pay him a max contract with all the UFA's available to build a core around in 2015
Iman isn't a SF, he needs to play next to playmakers, and mobile/shot blocking PF/C with a PG/SG to put pressure with him, and the length of Durant/Ibaka/ while Chandler holds the paint vs D12

I think it is a fair trade for both teams, I would let JR Smith's value grow with his knee/health troubles, as he will come out to play even better next year when his contract option kicks in....

We don't need Chandler with the players we have, while Sefelosopha would be an upgrade at SF for us, in addition to either Perry Jones/Jeremy Lamb, and the picks