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Who should Mike Woodson start for the 2013-14 season


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From Ian Begely Espn: Below, let's take a look at three possibilities for New York's starting five:
Who will be the fifth starter in the Knicks' lineup?


Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Bargnani, Chandler: The Carmelo Anthony-Bargnani pairing can be potent for the Knicks if both scorers are playing to their strengths. If New York follows the offensive blueprint it established last season, Anthony will spend significant time in the post. If defenses collapse on Anthony in the post -- or mid-post -- it could open the perimeter for Bargnani. If Bargnani can take advantage of those open looks, the Knicks could present a problem for opposing team's front lines.

But this unit may struggle on the other side of the floor. You're asking Anthony to guard the opponent's small forward rather than the power forward. Based on what we saw last season, Anthony seems to be more effective using his size and strength defending players on the interior; he has a tougher time chasing smaller, quicker players around the perimeter.

Of course, you can adjust on defense and have Anthony switch to the opponent's power forward. But that leaves Bargnani to guard the small forward. Based on what Bargnani has showed in the first seven years of his career, this could be a nightmare for New York.

Felton, Shumpert, World Peace, Anthony, Chandler: In theory, this unit solves the defensive problem the Bargnani-Anthony pairing presents. Many feel World Peace can defend power forwards and small forwards. So Anthony could defend the weaker offensive player of the two positions and save some energy on the defensive end. One downside to this lineup? It leaves Bargnani and Amar'e Stoudemire on the bench together. It's going to be tough to find minutes for both big men off the bench. Stoudemire, who will be on a minutes limit this season, played the role of good soldier coming off the bench last season. But if he's buried behind Bargnani on the bench this season, he may not handle it as well.

Felton, Prigioni, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler: This two-point-guard lineup carried the Knicks to 13-straight wins late last season. This unit also was used in 10 of the Knicks' 12 playoff games. Woodson liked Pablo Prigioni in the starting five because the veteran kept the ball moving around the perimeter and was a pest on defense (though he could be beat off the dribble). If Prigioni is in the starting lineup, though, who will play point guard in the second unit? That issue may be resolved via free agency (the Knicks are looking at Bobby Brown, among others), or via a training camp invite (Toure' Murry is one guard the Knicks will have in camp). The other problem with this lineup is it
leaves Bargnani, World Peace, Stoudemire and possibly Kenyon Martin (if the Knicks sign him) on the bench. Can Woodson juggle all of those minutes and keep everyone happy? leaves Bargnani, World Peace, Stoudemire and possibly Kenyon Martin (if the Knicks sign him) on the bench. Can Woodson juggle all of those minutes and keep everyone happy?

12 votes
60%
Felton , Shumpert, Anthony, Bargnani, Chandler
5 votes
25%
Felton Shumpert , World Peace, Anthony, Chandler
1 votes
5%
Felton ,Prigioni,Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler
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0%
Felton, Shumpert, Melo, World Peace, Bargnani
1 votes
5%
Another Lineup not mention
1 votes
5%
Doesn't really matter


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7/24/2013  6:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2013  6:55 AM
it's between artest and bargs for me, tough call on those two will have to see how they play. i can see woody favoring artest.
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7/24/2013  6:58 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:it's between artest and bargs for me, tough call on those two will have to see how they play. i can see woody favoring artest.

My biggest worry is that Ron will come in thinking he can chuck 3's. I think Barg's in the starting lineup could potentially make things easier for both Melo and Chandler. More so than Metta.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/24/2013  7:00 AM
Felton, JR, Metta, Melo & Chandler

Then, Bargs & Amar'e are your first two bigs off the bench- assuming either are healthy!

And Prigs is your first guard off the bench, with Shump used sparingly or traded.

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7/24/2013  7:17 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:it's between artest and bargs for me, tough call on those two will have to see how they play. i can see woody favoring artest.

My biggest worry is that Ron will come in thinking he can chuck 3's. I think Barg's in the starting lineup could potentially make things easier for both Melo and Chandler. More so than Metta.

i was tossing that around,

starting bargs gives you the long ball and scoring threat immediately,

starting artest sets the tone for tough d (this is my hope anyway),

so you can go either way, maybe they can use both starting lineups depending on who is hot, who they are playing, and so on

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7/24/2013  7:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2013  7:28 AM
Lets be honest no roster is going to work perfectly smoothly for the Knicks and the reason is they dont have a true 3 on the roster. The best way to remedy that defensively is to use Shumpert ,well the problem with that is the Knicks are obsessed with PG's that cant defend their position either.So now if you use Shumpert at the 3 your going to get killed by PG's all season long again. You can start Smith at the 2 and let him guard 3's but then u have a problem with your bench. This is probably the best way to finish games though.
When I look at the Knicks roster I see a bunch a players that can defend SG's and PF's with little else.This brings us to Artest. Why I wasnt against the Artest signing I thought if it cost us Martin it wasnt worth it.Martin defended 3 positions well enough that he should of been brought back. Now with the Artest signing I doubt he will want to come back and be involved in a minutes crunch. The Knicks are either forced to play with a 2nd unit of both Amare and Bargs at the 4/5 "Which is comical really the amount of money for a 2nd unit" or live with the defensive deficiency with Melo/Bargs at the 3/4. This comes back to my needs in the offseason that still havent been filled.

A stretch 4 that can defend 3's or a real sized SF 6'8" +...... No
A True Back up Center preferably young ..... No
A back up PG that can defend PG's ..... No

If Bargs ,Amare and JR Smith are all on the 2nd unit. Would that make the Knicks 2nd unit more expensive then their starting line up?

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7/24/2013  7:30 AM
Can people remind me what 3 gave the knicks trouble? Defending opponents 3s is not a problem, imo. Lebron Excluded.
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7/24/2013  7:36 AM
The key to the lineups is to keep a mix of offense and defense at the 4 & 5.

Bargs & tyson
Amari & kmart

This would be my lineup....

Felton, shump, melo, bargs, tyson

But I think this flexibility will be our weak link. Woodson is old-school. ...he will find a starting 5 and stick with it.

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7/24/2013  8:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2013  8:22 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:Can people remind me what 3 gave the knicks trouble? Defending opponents 3s is not a problem, imo. Lebron Excluded.

Yes because Shump guarded 3's. you can keep him there but then you have a minutes problem with your front court players.You also had a lot of 2 PG lineups that right now dont seem plausible

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7/24/2013  8:47 AM
I would start.
Melo sf
Barg of
Amare c
Shump sg
Felton pg
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7/24/2013  8:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2013  8:58 AM
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Prigs, JR, Metta, Melo, Amare - high powered offense, let Melo play where he excels and let Amare get some quick opportunities against slower centers. Metta provides some defense, and JR balances out a high octane offense. Rack up the points in the first 5 minutes.

First subs: Felton, Bargs, Chandler


Unfortunately, I think the Knicks are going to have too much depth and guys are going to be dissatisfied in their roles. Would be good if they could trade 2-for-1 for a higher impact player to consolidate, but I doubt that's going to happen just based on the nature of the contracts.

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7/24/2013  9:11 AM
as phil jackson said last year and it is even more the case this season: THE ROSTER IS CLUMSY
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/24/2013  9:37 AM
I forget, did someone already end all off-season moves?
Let's set the starting line up not knowing what our roster is going to be.

Oh and in the words of the immortal Xman, Fuck Phil Jackson.

Felton, Shump, Chandler, Melo, Bargs. <--Anyone who says differently at this point is selling something.

Now coming off as the second platoon for your New York Knicks: Prigs, JR, [KMart or insert your favorite available FA/Rook 5], Amare, Metta <----if healthy, this second line could be nasty. Prigs PNR (yeah, I shoot the three now coach), Amarekeem, Metta and KMart defending? Can anyone sing the JR redemption song?

Keep Stat away from playing the 5. Those knees aren't going to stand 20 seconds of banging against the backup Hibberts of the world.

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7/24/2013  9:47 AM
I am seeing folks talk about depth and challenges with finding people minutes.

Didn't we start last year talking about the same issues?

You've got a bunch of players on this roster with recent history of injuries.

Others who are old.

And then others - like Melo - who have a ton of mileage on their NBA Bodies, and could end up running into the injury bug this year.

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7/24/2013  10:38 AM
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7/24/2013  10:41 AM
There are only a handful of 3s and 4s in this league that would give the Knicks problems so the first choice makes sense:

Felton , Shumpert, Anthony, Bargnani, Chandler

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7/24/2013  10:46 AM
dk7th wrote:as phil jackson said last year and it is even more the case this season: THE ROSTER IS CLUMSY

My thoughts^ Woodson gonna have a ball with Bargnani, Amare and Melo trying to get them to defend and rebound. This is a Dantoni squad again. Should be entertaining to see

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7/24/2013  11:08 AM
Vmart wrote:I would start.
Melo sf
Barg of
Amare c
Shump sg
Felton pg

If Amare was an ironman and durable, Id go this way too as I think he is more effective at C. Rebounding would potentially be horrible woth those two downlow but Id give it a try.

Now, since Amare is Mr. Crystal, thats a "no no".

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7/24/2013  11:14 AM
starters and i am dead serious:

prigioni
shumpert
artest
chandler
bargnani

bench:

felton
stoudemire
anthony
smith

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/24/2013  11:20 AM
dk7th wrote:starters and i am dead serious:

prigioni
shumpert
artest
chandler
bargnani

bench:

felton
stoudemire
anthony
smith

Was with you until realized no Melo. Obvious answer is "no way".

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7/24/2013  11:23 AM
Need to upgrade the PG spot. Without this, then this will be a carbon copy of last year.
Who should Mike Woodson start for the 2013-14 season

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