Bargnani is 27, makes less, and only has 2 years left on his deal.

I'd trade David Lee for Amare though.

No need to add additional contract for summer 2015.

Sign lil' Nathaniel too, now that the Novakaine era is over!

AnubisADL wrote:Nope. David Lee is 3 yrs older, plays no defense, and is under contract for 3 more years.

Bargnani is 27, makes less, and only has 2 years left on his deal.

I'd trade David Lee for Amare though.

Damn, hard to believe Lee is already 30!
I'm inclined to agree on the Amar'e part.

Gun to my head, I probably say yes to a Lee/Bargnani swap, even though it would saddle us in for that 3rd year.

Finestrg wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Trading Chandler for Lee would be terrible. You aren't improving in any need. You are trading a better defensive player, true center, with less years on his contract. With Bargnani the Knicks just solved the area of needing another scorer. Now you need to address the defensive end of the court, not trade it away.

I disagree. D-Lee is flat out a better basketball player than Tyson Chandler. Don't know what to tell ya, man. Lee SCORES and REBOUNDS. Chandler CAN'T SCORE -- and to me, the more offensive weapons you have out there, the better. I don't like having a player on the court who can't do anything with the ball on the offensive end. It's a detriment...And I might be alone in my thinking here but I think Chandler is so vastly overrated in every aspect he's given all this credit for, it's not even funny. He's a severely overrated rebounder when you take into account all these slap-backs he's given credit for instead of going up and securing the rebound himself. It's a terribly lazy rebounding technique -- it even worked out in his favor for the most part, moreso than the previous season even, and STILL I think it's a terrible, fundamentally wrong approach to rebounding. Name me one top rebounder in the history of the NBA that applied this technique to the degree this guy does? It's a guard's approach to rebounding if he's lucky enough to get in there among the trees, not a man who's over 7' tall...Come on...I can't even believe he gets credit for doing it. You take those "rebounds" away, this guy's a 5 rebound/game center with no offensive game at all outside of the occasional lob. And to me, again I'm sure to be in the minority here -- his defense is beyond overrated. Defensive player of the year? NBA all defensive team? I mean WTF are people watching? I don't see that at all, never did. Not a shot-blocker despite the size, length and athleticism (again, like the rebound technique, it = LAZY!). And ask yourselves: when did Ty Chandler's defense ever shut someone down completely or win us a basketball game? Give me specific examples. I watch every game, and I can't think of any. This guy's a slightly above average role player...A glorified backup C...And I won't even comment on what I thought of his playoff performance this year and all the excuses he made afterward. D-Lee is an all-star who puts up close to 20/10 every night. Apples and oranges..

I'd take Lee in a heartbeat (even at the 1 extra year in salary) and hopefully we could squeeze out one more asset like a Draymond Green or a pick. To me, we win that deal. If we made that trade, THEN I go out and get 7'1" Jerome Jordan and maybe one or 2 other big men that are defensive-minded and big enough to body up and guard the interior. They're out there..

Given that you already have 2 big man that can score and can't defend, would you rather have another big man who can also score, but can't defend or a big man who can defend but can't score? This is also considering both can rebound.

Knixkik wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Trading Chandler for Lee would be terrible. You aren't improving in any need. You are trading a better defensive player, true center, with less years on his contract. With Bargnani the Knicks just solved the area of needing another scorer. Now you need to address the defensive end of the court, not trade it away.

I disagree. D-Lee is flat out a better basketball player than Tyson Chandler. Don't know what to tell ya, man. Lee SCORES and REBOUNDS. Chandler CAN'T SCORE -- and to me, the more offensive weapons you have out there, the better. I don't like having a player on the court who can't do anything with the ball on the offensive end. It's a detriment...And I might be alone in my thinking here but I think Chandler is so vastly overrated in every aspect he's given all this credit for, it's not even funny. He's a severely overrated rebounder when you take into account all these slap-backs he's given credit for instead of going up and securing the rebound himself. It's a terribly lazy rebounding technique -- it even worked out in his favor for the most part, moreso than the previous season even, and STILL I think it's a terrible, fundamentally wrong approach to rebounding. Name me one top rebounder in the history of the NBA that applied this technique to the degree this guy does? It's a guard's approach to rebounding if he's lucky enough to get in there among the trees, not a man who's over 7' tall...Come on...I can't even believe he gets credit for doing it. You take those "rebounds" away, this guy's a 5 rebound/game center with no offensive game at all outside of the occasional lob. And to me, again I'm sure to be in the minority here -- his defense is beyond overrated. Defensive player of the year? NBA all defensive team? I mean WTF are people watching? I don't see that at all, never did. Not a shot-blocker despite the size, length and athleticism (again, like the rebound technique, it = LAZY!). And ask yourselves: when did Ty Chandler's defense ever shut someone down completely or win us a basketball game? Give me specific examples. I watch every game, and I can't think of any. This guy's a slightly above average role player...A glorified backup C...And I won't even comment on what I thought of his playoff performance this year and all the excuses he made afterward. D-Lee is an all-star who puts up close to 20/10 every night. Apples and oranges..

I'd take Lee in a heartbeat (even at the 1 extra year in salary) and hopefully we could squeeze out one more asset like a Draymond Green or a pick. To me, we win that deal. If we made that trade, THEN I go out and get 7'1" Jerome Jordan and maybe one or 2 other big men that are defensive-minded and big enough to body up and guard the interior. They're out there..

Given that you already have 2 big man that can score and can't defend, would you rather have another big man who can also score, but can't defend or a big man who can defend but can't score? This is also considering both can rebound.

I told you, I'd rather have D-Lee and everything he brings to the table....I'd then figure out a way to go get some more size, rebounding and shot-blocking on the cheap to rotate in and out of the frontcourt. That can be done on the cheap.

There's a video on youtube of Bargnani going off on the Miami Heat a couple of years ago -- I'm sure everyone's looked at it over the last 24 hours.... He put up something like 36, 38 points and 4 rebounds. And you know what -- the Raptors lost. How's that for not really having an impact with his statistics. What the video doesn't show is how many buckets he undoubtedly gave up on the other end because he doesn't play good defense and can't rebound the ball unless it falls right in his lap.

The only way Bargnani might add something to next year's team is if he can come in here and be a guy we can count on to carry the offense for stretches which would take some undo pressure off of Melo to be the man for all 48 mins. It's almost impossible to shoulder the load Melo has to game in and game out and then be fresh at the end when your team needs you... Melo was phenomenal in our last game but he just ran out of gas in that 4th quarter. Shump stepped up big-time in that 3rd quarter but nobody else did anything to distinguish themselves that entire series. Chandler, JR Smith, STAT, even Felton after being so good against the Celtics -- all MIA. To be fair, if Bargnani can come in here and take offensive pressure off Melo during the regular season to the point where Melo's a hell of a lot fresher going into the playoffs, even take offensive pressure off Melo throughout individual games where Melo has something left in these 4th quarters, then this trade might be worth it. That'll be nice but I'm not sure Andrea Bargnani's up for that challenge every night...Trade's a done deal so we'll see..

Finestrg wrote:I dunno man -- none of this - from the draft selection up to this Bargnani trade - is what I would've done. LOL.

When we do pull the trigger on this trade for Bargs, I'd really entertain the idea of trading Chandler for D-Lee. Why not? Yeah Lee has the one more year on his deal but so what...We'll still be well under the cap by then. To me Chandler is overrated to the core and D-Lee is a better basketball player than Tyson Chandler, period. We'd get back a PF that can SCORE & REBOUND, something Chandler can't do. Whatever man -- this is what it is now...Do the trade for Bargs, offer Chandler for D-Lee and then find at least 1 more cheap big in the 6'10"-7' range that can body up and man the middle to go along with Jerome Jordan. I think we can get something done with the Warriors -- remember, GS liked Chandler a lot when we signed him - they even had a deal on the table for him for about $60m at the time if memory serves. Maybe if we did Chandler for D-Lee we might be able to squeeze the Warriors for a draft pick or 2 for taking on that extra year of salary with Lee. Or maybe we can get a nice role player like Draymond Green outta this...

Why the hell couldn't we have kept this super simple and just went the bargain-bin route to add talent? Everything we need is out there -- bigs, wings, PGs, scorers, defenders.. There are REAL GOOD PLAYERS we can get on the cheap that would be great here....Why this big splash for an inferior player that (A) we have to surrender way too much for and (B) doesn't even remotely put us on that championship level??? Bargnani is not great, guys. What do you want me to say? Like a lot of posters on the board here, I'm pissed we have to give up 3 picks for this guy (and don't poo-poo 2nd round picks -- I wish we had our 2nd rounder in this draft!). It's overkill. Toronto's given up on him and wants him out in the worst way....Why the F do we have to overpay to do Toronto a favor -- a team that tried to F us by criminally overbidding to take Fields so we couldn't include Fields in a deal for Steve Nash?? Anyone remember that buffoonery??? Back to Bargnani -- he doesn't play like a traditional 7 footer AND never played like a #1 overall pick...He's soft, doesn't defend and he doesn't rebound a lick. It's a terrible fit, man, honestly. You think Amar'e's a terrible rebounder? Wait till you see this guy in action. He won't go anywhere near the glass...You think Amar'e/Melo is a bad fit chemistry-wise? That's all we ever hear, right? Wait till we parade this guy out there with Melo. Hey maybe I'm wrong, and I hope to God I am, but I just don't see any of this..

I've been told that JaJuan Johnson and Craig Brackins are aloof players that are content to just hang out on the perimeter and offer little else...Not so but OK, that's someone's opinion. If these 2 are aloof perimeter guys, what the hell is Bargnani?!? He's the friggin' epitome of that statement, right down to the T....At least we could get these other guys for peanuts without surrendering any assets...It's so simple for me -- I value the league-minimum player given out salary situation; the Knicks don't. The Knicks act like they're too good, too proud a franchise, whatever -- to go bargain-bin shopping...HELLO? Wake the F UP -- THAT'S WHERE THE REAL VALUE IS RIGHT NOW!!!

I stopped reading at the bolded part - The Knicks getting picks back in a trade, HA HA AH HA HA HA HA HA

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nixluva wrote:The idea is that you have to try and match players skills. Bargs, STAT and Tyson is a good blend since they each do different things. Bargs can play next to either STAT or Tyson with ease. D Lee is a good player, but he doesn't really stretch the floor and he doesn't defend the basket, so I don't see him really being a big plus to this team.

Hey man, I honestly feel in my bones that D-Lee is a better player than either Bargs or Chandler...Having said that, after thinking about if for a little while, maybe we can make this work. Maybe collectively Chandler, Bargnani and Melo complement each other better than I first thought -- maybe it does make some sense. Mix in STAT for 25 mins or so off the bench at the 4/5, maybe 1 more big man that can rebound and patrol the interior (while adding a little scoring too -- Jamelle Hagins would be PERFECT; Jordan Williams is another possibility...Jerome Jordan, Marcus Cousin?), hopefully CJ Leslie with his high-wire act behind Melo at the 3 if he pans out (this kid looks a hell of a lot further along skill-wise than he's being given credit for), etc.. Maybe we finally will have enough frontcourt firepower to compete at a high level.

I mean when you think about it -- Dallas' starting frontcourt that beat the Heat in the Finals a couple of years ago was Chandler, Nowitzki and Marion.....Chandler, Bargnani and Melo is pretty damn similar...Chandler's the constant on both teams; Bargs plays a similar role to Dirk (Dirk's better) and Marion and Melo are similar (Melo's better).