This team is what it is for the next couple of years. We need to have a few years of stability both roster and organization wise to see how far we can get.

Challenges for next year are what to do about JR, trying to find a taker for Novak's contract and drafting or acquiring a good young PG of the future.

2nd place in the conference doesn't warrant a coach or GM getting fired. Although with the coach, much will depend on what we do in the playoffs.

MSG3 wrote:I voted yes, although I don't think he worked "magic". He assembled a deep roster with what he could. The biggest fumble was letting thou who shall not be names sign elsewhere and leave for nothing. Everything else has been solid. His signature move is Tyson.

This team is what it is for the next couple of years. We need to have a few years of stability both roster and organization wise to see how far we can get.

Challenges for next year are what to do about JR, trying to find a taker for Novak's contract and drafting or acquiring a good young PG of the future.

2nd place in the conference doesn't warrant a coach or GM getting fired. Although with the coach, much will depend on what we do in the playoffs.

i said maybe. if the coach is at risk, why not the FO? is it only the coach, is it the gm who got the players, is it the players doing poorly? thats if they crap out in the playoffs. they do well, lots of these threads will be useful of the ole web archives for fun.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

The Melo trade likely doesn't happen if the team didn't have Amare already.

Personally I'm content with the squad but for the folks who point to the melo trade as the turning point, it likely doesn't happen with an already Amare in place.

okay well explain why. i have the converse opinion-- that it was not necessary to trade for melo with stat already here. my explanation was then and is now an issue of flawed players who are essentially redundant and would find it virtually impossible to both play and thrive with one another and for one another. subtraction by addition.

what's your justification for the trade?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

The Melo trade likely doesn't happen if the team didn't have Amare already.

Personally I'm content with the squad but for the folks who point to the melo trade as the turning point, it likely doesn't happen with an already Amare in place.

okay well explain why. i have the converse opinion-- that it was not necessary to trade for melo with stat already here. my explanation was then and is now an issue of flawed players who are essentially redundant and would find it virtually impossible to both play and thrive with one another and for one another. subtraction by addition.

what's your justification for the trade?

Donnie Walsh promised Dolan two stars and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ.

donnie walsh = donnie walsh
dolan = dolan

the knicks = ?