Shumpert is a better player now, and will be in the future. this isn't close.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/27/rookies-of-the-month-april/index.html

Faried paced first-year players in rebounds (9.1 rpg) and field goal percentage (.584), and led Western Conference rookies in blocks (1.14 bpg). Faried also averaged 11.6 points and recorded six of his 12 double-doubles this season in the final month of the campaign, including a 27-point, 17-rebound performance April 9 in a 123-84 win over Golden State. In the victory over the Warriors, Faried established career highs in both categories, and became the first player in the shot-clock era to record that many points and rebounds in less than 25 minutes (24).

Averaging 12 points and 11 rebounds in the playoffs.

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Shumpert with no question..Faried at the end of the day is undersized and will always be a liability on defense. Shumpert helps in so many different ways and just with the eye test helps the team in so many different ways.

I'm know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but Shumpert's shooting percentages are low enough that right now he is still a liability on offense. Look at these numbers:

League average PER: 15
Iman Shumpert: 10.8
Faried: 21.9

League average Win shares (per 48 minutes): .100
Iman shumpert: .068
Faried: .212

Now I don't think Faried is quite as good or Shumpert as bad as those stats would indicate. There aren't currently any good stats collected on man-to-man defense (Shumpert's main strength). But in the areas the stats are collected, Faried has a HUGE advantage over Shumpert.

I think that's all fair. Shump's jumper is far too inconsistent. But he has the tools--crosses fingers--to be an explosive open court player, which, combined with his defense gives him the edge in my opinion.

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Shumpert with no question..Faried at the end of the day is undersized and will always be a liability on defense. Shumpert helps in so many different ways and just with the eye test helps the team in so many different ways.

I'm know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but Shumpert's shooting percentages are low enough that right now he is still a liability on offense. Look at these numbers:

League average PER: 15
Iman Shumpert: 10.8
Faried: 21.9

League average Win shares (per 48 minutes): .100
Iman shumpert: .068
Faried: .212

Now I don't think Faried is quite as good or Shumpert as bad as those stats would indicate. There aren't currently any good stats collected on man-to-man defense (Shumpert's main strength). But in the areas the stats are collected, Faried has a HUGE advantage over Shumpert.

Haha - I saw the Win Shares but I did not want to bring that up since I don't want to give a validity to WS's.

Faried had one game where he scored 27 points and had 17 rebounds in 24 minutes!!!!!

I have also been watching him play defense recently and he is quite good.

I know that there will many homer votes here but anyone who says "case closed" is not even attempting to be open minded.

MS wrote:I love how people say this is not close.

Faried is averaging 10.5pts 10rbs 1.5blks in 30 minutes against the Lakers
(10pts 7rbs 1blk in 21 minutes during the regular season)

Tyson 11.3pts 9.9rbs 1.9blks for the regular season 33 minutes

This kid is Ben Wallace not a poor mans Ben Wallace

Ben Wallace was a supreme defender

Faried is a far better offensive player

Edit: Tyson is averaging 1.4 blocks not 1.9 - He also only has 3 in the playoffs while Faried has 6

Tyson really needs to step it up in the next game. 1 ain't gonna cut it - along with those dumb intentional/technical fouls.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Shumpert with no question..Faried at the end of the day is undersized and will always be a liability on defense. Shumpert helps in so many different ways and just with the eye test helps the team in so many different ways.

I'm know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but Shumpert's shooting percentages are low enough that right now he is still a liability on offense. Look at these numbers:

League average PER: 15
Iman Shumpert: 10.8
Faried: 21.9

League average Win shares (per 48 minutes): .100
Iman shumpert: .068
Faried: .212

Now I don't think Faried is quite as good or Shumpert as bad as those stats would indicate. There aren't currently any good stats collected on man-to-man defense (Shumpert's main strength). But in the areas the stats are collected, Faried has a HUGE advantage over Shumpert.

Haha - I saw the Win Shares but I did not want to bring that up since I don't want to give a validity to WS's.

Faried had one game where he scored 27 points and had 17 rebounds in 24 minutes!!!!!

I have also been watching him play defense recently and he is quite good.

I know that there will many homer votes here but anyone who says "case closed" is not even attempting to be open minded.