You do understand that you are extrapolating garbage time and seeing good plays there?

martin wrote:How about first the Knicks bring AR off bench and see him produce?

You do understand that you are extrapolating garbage time and seeing good plays there?

one thing i have marveled is the minutes management of the celtics and heat. last nite though i wanted to type it but didnt cause i was just a bit too emo.. it still sticks in my head that mda got out-coached.. in minutes management.

how many times i see doc pull out starters and rest em even when behind to save 'em for a push. how many times did i see coach spo rest superfriends and just keep one out there to maintain the lead.

for the cavs game mda can learn from doc and spell amar'e to keep him fresh when its time to bring the game home, to quote doc.

Vmart wrote:Since the last time we saw AR in the game this has what has happened. In the latest game vs Miami he made a nice move in the paint to get off a hook shot for points. In the previous game he made a nice bounce pass to Mozgov for a slam. AR should be starting in games instead of benching him he should be force fed minutes to get him going.

the original poll was "start ar for cavs game" but i scrapped it cause i didn't want to argue.

cheers wrote:

Vmart wrote:Since the last time we saw AR in the game this has what has happened. In the latest game vs Miami he made a nice move in the paint to get off a hook shot for points. In the previous game he made a nice bounce pass to Mozgov for a slam. AR should be starting in games instead of benching him he should be force fed minutes to get him going.

the original poll was "start ar for cavs game" but i scrapped it cause i didn't want to argue.

I read your mind.

Vmart wrote:

cheers wrote:

Vmart wrote:Since the last time we saw AR in the game this has what has happened. In the latest game vs Miami he made a nice move in the paint to get off a hook shot for points. In the previous game he made a nice bounce pass to Mozgov for a slam. AR should be starting in games instead of benching him he should be force fed minutes to get him going.

the original poll was "start ar for cavs game" but i scrapped it cause i didn't want to argue.

I read your mind.

an ar start would be an instant confidence booster for ar. plus give mda a good look at where ar has progressed since (cue iverson voice) practice. no way amar'e and fields dont win this game for new york even if mda plays em 40.

but this would be a good game for mda to work on his own game of minutes management (maybe he needs practice).

Vmart wrote:Since the last time we saw AR in the game this has what has happened. In the latest game vs Miami he made a nice move in the paint to get off a hook shot for points. In the previous game he made a nice bounce pass to Mozgov for a slam. AR should be starting in games instead of benching him he should be force fed minutes to get him going.

Man I competely agree with that. Although I understand the argument Martin and a few others have made that concerns earning his PT in practice and such (which I haven't heard he isn't btw. Not to mention he's doing and saying all the right things, even looks like he's very much into these games as a spectator when the camera pans over to the bench), I think you go the other direction with this kid in particular -- I'm not sure about starting him now but definitely throw him some steady mins off the bench to get him going. Make him feel like he's a part of this team again..Make him feel wanted..Then see how he responds..How could we possibly lose there -- he could only help us..We're not losing games in this league because Anthony Randolph comes in and makes a few mistakes along the way while trying and giving effort..Earth to MDA: try it, put him in there and give him some room to grow..And whatever you do, don't pout, hang your head in disgust or yank him out of the lineup the min he makes a mistake. He never responded to that in GS with Nellie and he hasn't responded here with that crap either..Offer oddles of encouragment instead..I mean see how that works..How bad could this kid be, really? He could only help us..We need another big anyway..I mean I can't believe there's chatter out there where guys are saying they want Jared Jeffries back..Jared Jeffries?!?!? Over intergrating this kid back into the lineup????????? You gotta be f'in kidding me with that shyt..If we ever got this kid right and paved the way for him to have success (sorry but that's all on Mike; we all know Donnie wants him in there), we'd eventually see a player that a guy like Jared Jeffries couldn't hold a candle to..You always look to solve your problems from within first before you look elsewhere. I can't friggin' believe the amount of people that want to give up on this kid. With his talent & upside? Mind-boggling..The talent level is obviously there--he's proven it at this level while with GS and against some good competition at that in spurts..The kid is capable of doing a combination of things on the court that very few can do..When he's right, of course. Well it's up to Mike to get him right..Simple as that and I got news for ya -- I don't think Mike has put in nearly the amount of effort required with this particular guy..A good coach gets the most out of his players..To me you don't give up & just throw in the towel on someone like this. It's absolutely crazy..Insane in the membrane crazy..Esp. when he offers exactly what this team needs right now..Get this kid to the point where he's contributing, feeling good about being here and what he's doing..Start small and start there--BUT GET HIM IN THERE EVERY DAY FROM HERE ON IN..He's absolutely lost right now. He was so excited and enthusiastic about coming here in the beginning man. I wanna see that again and not for another team -- I wanna see it HERE IN NY!! His pilot light is out and it's been out for some time. Break out the matches & relight it -- what the hell do we have to lose? Nothing! Everything to gain. I mean most of us are talking about improving our bench play while also getting adequate rest for our top players to prevent burnout. I agree with that. Who doesn't? What I don't understand is why nobody thinks Anthony Randolph couldn't be part of that solution. He damn sure could.

After a 3-8 start that included playing 10 guys, something had to change. Tightened rotations, changing lineup, SOMETHING.

You know what happed during the 3 game win streak against Sacramento, Golden State, LA Clippers? No AR, Moz moves to bench, Turiaf starts.

The Knicks reel off 5 wins in a row to get back to .500; BRILLIANT COACHING JOB BY MDA. OK, maybe not brilliant, but it proves out the correct move. Turiaf gets hurt at the end of the 5 game win streak and we lose to Atlanta.

And then Chandler gets inserted into lineup and the Knicks WIN 8 MORE IN A ROW. Turiaf plays only the last 4 of those games cause he is still hurt.

The last 3 games are against Denver, Boston, Miami. 2 of those teams are the best in the league (or at least top 4).

MDA and the Knicks need to get into the playoffs. It's hard to argue that Mike should have played it any differently after the 3-8 start.

Does he need to develop bench? YES. Has he done something wrong since the 3-8 start? Hard to argue with the outcome.

Do you really change your strategy dramatically after playing Boston (whom you almost beat and probably could have) and Miami? Not dramatically.

Does it behoove MDA and staff to give playing time to Moz and AR? Absolutely.

But not at the cost of too many wins. And you want to keep Chandlers and Gallo's values VERY high in case of trades. Can't mess with that either.

Marv wrote:i actually don't blame mike on this one. i think the kid's a genuine head case. and he's pared the roster down to guys who are all playing the "right way." BUT . . . the kid has major league talent. mike may actually be protecting him from himslf right now. most likely he'd get put in a game, F up somehow, get yanked, and sit on the bench and cry. he's obviously soft in the head. so for him to have any chance of coming around here, mike may be drilling it into him in practice that you play this way of sit, and trying to get enough consistency form him that he doesn't set himself up for the big breakdown on the bench.

Wow.. I hold Mike 100% accountable..Head case? Really Marv? That's a little much, no? Dennis Rodman was a headcase bro and yet every coach he ever played for knew how to get the most out of him, right? I think AR's a good talented kid that the coach simply has no faith & trust in and no time for..Trust always goes both ways..How can you perform well, dare I say perform at top performance, in any job if your boss constantly overlooks you, passes you up & continually shows no trust in you?? Not many people would perform well under those contitions..I can see if Randolph actually earned that lack of trust -- I don't think he did..I've seen every game this team has played since forever -- I don't recall any shot or missed defensive assignment AR missed that was so blatant or so bad to warrant burying the guy on the bench. And he's been fine off the court..I mean WTF, players are gonna make mistakes..I say start showing some Goddamn trust in this kid and see where it leads..I could be off but from the chronology I remember, this kid had the 9 rebounds in the bad loss at the Bucks, managed to get in the game at Detroit, took one questionable shot (you mean to tell me guys like Gallo, even Amar'e & Ray dont take bad shots??), got yanked and hadn't returned until last night..I mean something's wrong with that man..How come Mike didn't build on that 9 reb performance @ Milwaukee?? Forget that Bucks game, how come he never started the process much earlier than that??? Like I said, MDA's 100% accountable here..If I knew he didn't have what it takes to help this team, I wouldn't be saying jack shyt..You don't hear me campaigning for Mason Jr. to get PT do ya??? This kid's different..The size and talent is there, right there sitting on the bench. And our coach hasn't done a damn thing to tap into it..Hey that's how I'll continue to see it until he either starts playing or is traded..He's a wild card/dark horse for this club if there ever was one.

martin wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Marv wrote:i actually don't blame mike on this one. i think the kid's a genuine head case. and he's pared the roster down to guys who are all playing the "right way." BUT . . . the kid has major league talent. mike may actually be protecting him from himslf right now. most likely he'd get put in a game, F up somehow, get yanked, and sit on the bench and cry. he's obviously soft in the head. so for him to have any chance of coming around here, mike may be drilling it into him in practice that you play this way of sit, and trying to get enough consistency form him that he doesn't set himself up for the big breakdown on the bench.

Wow.. I hold Mike 100% accountable..Head case? Really Marv? That's a little much, no? Dennis Rodman was a headcase bro and yet every coach he ever played for knew how to get the most out of him, right? I think AR's a good talented kid that the coach simply has no faith & trust in and no time for..Trust always goes both ways..How can you perform well, dare I say perform at top performance, in any job if your boss constantly overlooks you, passes you up & continually shows no trust in you?? Not many people would perform well under those contitions..I can see if Randolph actually earned that lack of trust -- I don't think he did..I've seen every game this team has played since forever -- I don't recall any shot or missed defensive assignment AR missed that was so blatant or so bad to warrant burying the guy on the bench. And he's been fine off the court..I mean WTF, players are gonna make mistakes..I say start showing some Goddamn trust in this kid and see where it leads..I could be off but from the chronology I remember, this kid had the 9 rebounds in the bad loss at the Bucks, managed to get in the game at Detroit, took one questionable shot (you mean to tell me guys like Gallo, even Amar'e & Ray dont take bad shots??), got yanked and hadn't returned until last night..I mean something's wrong with that man..How come Mike didn't build on that 9 reb performance @ Milwaukee?? Forget that Bucks game, how come he never started the process much earlier than that??? Like I said, MDA's 100% accountable here..If I knew he didn't have what it takes to help this team, I wouldn't be saying jack shyt..You don't hear me campaigning for Mason Jr. to get PT do ya??? This kid's different..The size and talent is there, right there sitting on the bench. And our coach hasn't done a damn thing to tap into it..Hey that's how I'll continue to see it until he either starts playing or is traded..He's a wild card/dark horse for this club if there ever was one.

you need to pay attention more closely. come on now.

The hell I do...This kid was never afforded the same leeway as other players we have. it's blatantly obvious..What's Gallo shooting on the season overall? 40% or damn close to it, right? How may bad shots has he taken?? Countless. Overall Gallo's been fine -- don't tell me about how he's gotten to the line or how good/aggressive he's looked the past 2 games, alright? Like I said, I've seen every game..This isn't about Gallo, it's about comparing the way our coach has decided to handle some young players very differently from others..TD -- look at this guy. He's looked abysmal at times, sometimes so bad to the point where Mike just looses it on him..Still in the rotation though, right? And probably will be even if we decide to get another backup PG to spell Felton somewhere along the way. Perhaps the best example to support what I'm saying is Mozgov -- guy comes over here from Russian out of nowhere having never played an NBA game in his life, shows a little promise early on in training camp and pre-season, gets the nod (actually started for this club in the beginning) and was given ample room to grow and mature into the role and work through mistakes. Thing is Moz showed time and time again that he's just not ready to play basketball on this level yet and finally had to sit..Point is he was given the opportunity though, right? This kid Randolph hasn't been given nearly that same kind of opportunity...You might want to pay attention a little more closely yourself.