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BRIGGS
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Trade Gallo Randolph and Chandler for Carmelo right now with the 2014 pick Curry
1 votes
4.76%
Trade Gallo Randolph and Chandler for Carmelo right now with the 2014 pick to have him in now
20 votes
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Keep tight and be patient get him for nothing next year in free agency


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DurzoBlint
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8/19/2010  3:46 PM
I am so torn because I like most people with a brain would want Carmello on the squad but, at the same time, I want to see him play alongside the squad we have. I really, really think Gallo will be something special someday....possibly even elite.

The guy has the shooting touch and seems to have the mentality and toughness to succeed in this league.

AR is a mystery to me but, enough posters, more informed than myself have made me confident that this kid will also be something special.

I would love to see us go with a model more like the thunder but, at the same time we don't have a Durant.

To be honest, depending on the day and hour, I lean one way then the other.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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8/19/2010  3:47 PM
Briggy got his advocacy on!!! Bring it!
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8/19/2010  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2010  3:48 PM
Keep tight. I doubt Walsh will offer that much for him. I've read about trade proposals that the Knicks have allegedly made but I haven't heard of any counter offers by Denver. No way to gauge what they really want. Lets see how the Knicks do with what they have now.
Marv
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8/19/2010  3:50 PM
imo both ar and gallo are longshots to become 1/2 the force that melo is in this league. starphuch away my lads.
fishmike
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8/19/2010  3:55 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:I am so torn because I like most people with a brain would want Carmello on the squad but, at the same time, I want to see him play alongside the squad we have. I really, really think Gallo will be something special someday....possibly even elite.

The guy has the shooting touch and seems to have the mentality and toughness to succeed in this league.

AR is a mystery to me but, enough posters, more informed than myself have made me confident that this kid will also be something special.

I would love to see us go with a model more like the thunder but, at the same time we don't have a Durant.

To be honest, depending on the day and hour, I lean one way then the other.

you nailed how I feel perfectly. I wait for a couple of reasons. We already have a high caliber playing Amare who scores at the level that Carmello does. What Melo brings is firepower and I think we are in pretty good shape there. We dont need a 3 and he plays the same position as our best prospect. His first injury free year Gallo's 15/5 is a solid rookie compain. He also showed enough defense, toughness and big shot ability to really be tantalizing. He's also got a good head on his shoulders and plays and works very hard.

Walsh built this new team around a frontcourt loaded w/ size and skill. Lets see where that gets us. Gallo/AR are too versatile to let go. AR already has great skills, but he's got potential to be a first team all NBA defense type of guy.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
fishmike
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8/19/2010  3:58 PM
Marv wrote:imo both ar and gallo are longshots to become 1/2 the force that melo is in this league. starphuch away my lads.
what force in the league is he? He's been here 7 years and advanced in the playoffs once, and he's been on some pretty good teams. He's been to one more all star game than David Lee. He's a volume scorer who is pretty average at everything that doesnt involve him taking a shot.

We can do better.

Why is Melo ok for a MAX contract but Joe Johnson would have been a disaster?

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
bernard
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8/19/2010  4:11 PM
Too much to give for Melo given that Denver has little leverage. I'm all for trading for him, but I'd offer 1 of those 3 + Curry and the pick. Denver will say "no F'ing way" now, but maybe will rethink it closer to the deadline when they're looking at the very real alternative of getting nothing for him.
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8/19/2010  4:19 PM
no AR, no Gallo and Felton/Amare cant be traded. Any other combo of players is fine with me. Those are my core 4 so to speak and I want to see them play together for 50 games before I even consider making any changes.

Except Amare who is an establish perennial all star I think Felton/AR/Gallo all are in a position to become bigtime players on this team and I think of those 4 guys as a build around unit. Heady tough 2-way PG w/ 3 frontcourt guys who have size, skill and versatility.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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8/19/2010  4:25 PM
The reports you seem to be getting out of Denver are that a deal of Gallo/Curry/picks, etc., is not enough to make Denver think about trading.

If you read between the lines it means the Knicks will have to give them Gallo and Randolph. No other way to look at this.

Donnie would be crazy if caved in and gave up those two and a future # 1(s?) for a scorer who is a so-so rebounder, and spotty defender.

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8/19/2010  4:27 PM
I highly doubt it will take all that to get a deal done. I still say 2 of the 3 (Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler) is enough and fair. But I'd still trade all 3 for Melo. A Star will always be more valuable then 3 role players. This idea of yours that all 3 are going to be 20 ppg scorers is so unrealistic and crazy.
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8/19/2010  4:29 PM
If it's a choice between those two options, it's obviously smart to wait. I happen to believe that the Knicks are holding a lot of cards because NY is where Melo's heart is, and when it becomes a choice to Denver, between getting nothing in return for Melo and getting a couple of lesser young players who can contribute to that team, they will be much more reasonable.
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8/19/2010  4:35 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:imo both ar and gallo are longshots to become 1/2 the force that melo is in this league. starphuch away my lads.
what force in the league is he? He's been here 7 years and advanced in the playoffs once, and he's been on some pretty good teams. He's been to one more all star game than David Lee. He's a volume scorer who is pretty average at everything that doesnt involve him taking a shot.

We can do better.

Why is Melo ok for a MAX contract but Joe Johnson would have been a disaster?

you’re becoming briggsian with your facts here he's been to 3 all-star games. and not as a last-minute coaches injury replacement decision either.

the guy’s a scoring machine at the sf position. and he's strong enough and forceful enough - when he wants to be - to just bull people around underneath the basket. i like that part of his game MUCH more than his outside chucking part. kind of ironic that he's being replace in denver by new jersey al.

the guy's a career 25-6-3 player on 46% shooting and 80% from the line.

he's been to the playoffs every year of his career on a team that was garbage before his arrival and will be garbage again upon his departure. he maintains his production - 25-7-3 - in the playoffs.

Briggs’ poll is just hyperbole - all-or-nothing. my stance is give up either gallo OR randolph now and get this done. not both.

btw joe johnson is a career 18 ppg scorer and that goes down to 16 in the playoffs. while he was disappearing in this year’s playoffs melo was beasting. put melo and amar'e on the same frontline and you have a nightmare for the defense. And you still have a 6'11" youngster with potential to develop in the mix.

gallo OR ar with curry and a number 1.
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8/19/2010  4:35 PM
Waiting would be fine if there were other options next summer. If another team trades for Carmelo Anthony and he re-signs with them, who are we going after next summer? After Melo, there is nothing out there. I know some of you have this weird fetish for young players but you need Stars to win in this league. You're not beating that team in Miami with a bunch of 22 and 23 year olds with "potential" (I really hate that word). We NEED Stars! And no - Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler are NOT Stars and aren't going to be Stars. Same as David Lee, Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye weren't going to be Stars either.
iSergio
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8/19/2010  4:37 PM
Some of you just don't know how good Carmelo Anthony is. I've already read Al Harrington and Joe Johnson comparisons here. That's just insulting and ridiculous.
BRIGGS
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8/19/2010  4:45 PM
iSergio wrote:Waiting would be fine if there were other options next summer. If another team trades for Carmelo Anthony and he re-signs with them, who are we going after next summer? After Melo, there is nothing out there. I know some of you have this weird fetish for young players but you need Stars to win in this league. You're not beating that team in Miami with a bunch of 22 and 23 year olds with "potential" (I really hate that word). We NEED Stars! And no - Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler are NOT Stars and aren't going to be Stars. Same as David Lee, Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye weren't going to be Stars either.

Carmelo is not as good as Bernard King- and the Knicks had some very decent other pieces with him--a deep team in 84. The Knicks were never a great team with him--good 47-48 wins and some noise int he playoffs but nothing more. If we deplete the team and give up our assets with no cap space--we'l be stuck as a 47 win team. If we are patient--then we have the goods. Whats wrong with being patient--if Melo wants to come to NY let him--in FA next year--why the heck would I give even a penny for him?

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BRIGGS
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8/19/2010  4:49 PM
Why pay for something youre going to get free--its the most asinine concept I can think of
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Marv
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8/19/2010  4:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Why pay for something youre going to get free--its the most asinine concept I can think of

because you're far from guaranteed to be getting him for free.
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8/19/2010  4:50 PM
Marv wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:imo both ar and gallo are longshots to become 1/2 the force that melo is in this league. starphuch away my lads.

We can do better.


the guy’s a scoring machine at the sf position. and he's strong enough and forceful enough - when he wants to be - to just bull people around underneath the basket. i like that part of his game MUCH more than his outside chucking part. kind of ironic that he's being replace in denver by new jersey al.

the guy's a career 25-6-3 player on 46% shooting and 80% from the line.

he's been to the playoffs every year of his career on a team that was garbage before his arrival and will be garbage again upon his departure. he maintains his production - 25-7-3 - in the playoffs.

Briggs’ poll is just hyperbole - all-or-nothing. my stance is give up either gallo OR randolph now and get this done. not both.

btw joe johnson is a career 18 ppg scorer and that goes down to 16 in the playoffs. while he was disappearing in this year’s playoffs melo was beasting. put melo and amar'e on the same frontline and you have a nightmare for the defense. And you still have a 6'11" youngster with potential to develop in the mix.

gallo OR ar with curry and a number 1.


Marv, I'm with you once again on this. I can't understand why people think it is all or nothing. Negotiate first and see what can happen. Never give in to the other teams first offer, unless you're Isiah.

Denver is not going to make a trade before they sign a new GM, anyway, so this isn't going to happen very soon.

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BRIGGS
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8/19/2010  4:55 PM
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why pay for something youre going to get free--its the most asinine concept I can think of

because you're far from guaranteed to be getting him for free.

why if he wants to come here? Lebron wanted to go to Miami for 2 years it appears--he went to Miami

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Marv
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8/19/2010  4:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why pay for something youre going to get free--its the most asinine concept I can think of

because you're far from guaranteed to be getting him for free.

why if he wants to come here? Lebron wanted to go to Miami for 2 years it appears--he went to Miami


lebron was not coming to miami till the last second.

denver can trade melo to another team where he has time to gel with his teammates, have a great honeymoon year, be treated like royalty and courted by the entire city, and sign there for the max instead of here. not too far-fetched, is it?
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