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Who should've been drafted: Lopez, Randolph, or Gallo?


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Did Walsh blow the Gallo pick? Should he be fired? Make your reactions as knee-jerk as possible!
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Gallo
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5.13%
Anthony Randolph
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15.38%
Brook Lopez


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3/24/2010  2:29 AM
we should have drafted Derrick Rose... Donnie should have traded up to #1.
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3/24/2010  2:31 AM
TMS wrote:we should have drafted Derrick Rose... Donnie should have traded up to #1.

it's absolutely inexcusable that Donnie didn't parlay Stephon Marbury's expiring contract into Derrick Rose. INEXCUSABLE

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3/24/2010  2:40 AM
If Anthony Randolph was on this team he would be branded a colossal bust.
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3/24/2010  2:56 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:If Anthony Randolph was on this team he would be branded a colossal bust.

And Lopez would have been traded instead of Hill, too slow for this system.

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3/24/2010  8:08 AM
Gallo is developing nicely into a star.

However, if you argue that we're aiming to get Lebron, there is your star power.

A solid 5 who is versatile, and can play both sides of the ball is much harder to find.

Hindsight being 20/20, I'd take Lopez, and then we should have traded Nate for a mid round pick where we could have grabbed Randolph.

And since no one else was taking Gallo, bought up a late second round pick and grabbed him there

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3/24/2010  8:11 AM
I really wanted Anthony Randolph and still do, but I think Gallo is proving himself to be a very good NBA player. His offensive game is constantly evolving and he plays good defense. I wasn't and still am not a big fan of Brook Lopez - I think he's a nice player and he'll be a nice complimentary player, but I'd still rather have Gallo or Randolph over him.
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3/24/2010  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2010  11:35 AM
ALL YOUNG PLAYERS FROM ALL LOSING TEAMS ARE PLAYING WITH A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER.

They are playing with no pressure IN GAMES DOWN THE STRETCH and when they go up against teams in the playoff picture they have the ability to look at it as a playoff game with nothing to lose.

If these young players act like this in the beginning of the regular season then I will say WOW !

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3/24/2010  2:31 PM
playa2 wrote:ALL YOUNG PLAYERS FROM ALL LOSING TEAMS ARE PLAYING WITH A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER.

They are playing with no pressure IN GAMES DOWN THE STRETCH and when they go up against teams in the playoff picture they have the ability to look at it as a playoff game with nothing to lose.

If these young players act like this in the beginning of the regular season then I will say WOW !

haha. i don't know why i found this funny.

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3/24/2010  2:36 PM
playa2 wrote:ALL YOUNG PLAYERS FROM ALL LOSING TEAMS ARE PLAYING WITH A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER.

They are playing with no pressure IN GAMES DOWN THE STRETCH and when they go up against teams in the playoff picture they have the ability to look at it as a playoff game with nothing to lose.

If these young players act like this in the beginning of the regular season then I will say WOW !

Great post.

Guys putting up stats now when the games dont matter but did alot of NOTHING all year don't impress me.

I still go with Gallo because of his height and shooting touch for our system. I wouldn't sleep on Randolph though because the guy is very talented. Lopez is also solid and can be just as good or better than Bogut.

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3/24/2010  2:47 PM
can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.
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3/24/2010  2:55 PM
eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

Gets posterized all the time....can't keep up with his man running down the court...

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3/24/2010  3:00 PM
eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

The guy isnt an SF. When he puts the ball on the floor he moves like molasses and gets pathetic lift when he gets contact. Now for a PF that is no big deal but when you want to dance around the perimeter against SF's you need some explosiveness.

His man to man defense is also HIGHLY overrated. I dont think we should be praising Gallo for wanting to guard Carmelo when Carmelo would have dropped 50 if it wasn't for JR Smith chucking in the 4th. I see Gallo as more an ideal help defender around the rim because of his length.

Gallo needs to move closer to the rim and not fall in love with his jumper. For a supposed great shooter he went 1/7 in the first half. Brandon Jennings shoots a higher 3 pt% than Gallo and Jennings is no Ray Allen plus Jennings was considered a brick mason before the draft.

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3/24/2010  3:11 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

The guy isnt an SF. When he puts the ball on the floor he moves like molasses and gets pathetic lift when he gets contact. Now for a PF that is no big deal but when you want to dance around the perimeter against SF's you need some explosiveness.

His man to man defense is also HIGHLY overrated. I dont think we should be praising Gallo for wanting to guard Carmelo when Carmelo would have dropped 50 if it wasn't for JR Smith chucking in the 4th. I see Gallo as more an ideal help defender around the rim because of his length.

Gallo needs to move closer to the rim and not fall in love with his jumper. For a supposed great shooter he went 1/7 in the first half. Brandon Jennings shoots a higher 3 pt% than Gallo and Jennings is no Ray Allen plus Jennings was considered a brick mason before the draft.

jennings is hitting 39.4% of his 315 3-point attempts, which is very good. gallo's hitting 38.8% of his 417. hardly seems like the comparison to be making if you're trying to make a point.

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3/24/2010  3:23 PM
Andrew wrote:
eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

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you forgot the stiff legs andrew.. that's a big one.

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3/24/2010  3:23 PM
thanks marv.

to the other points:

i disagree with the idea that his lack of explosion equates lack of mobility. does he get to the rim? yes. does he draw fouls? yes. does it matter how fast or slow he does this? no. it's not always about explosive speed or leaping. sure, that's the most impressive way to get to the rim, but using change of pace moves and proper angles can get you to the hole just as well (only it won't put you on any posters).

and judging his man to man defense by the fact that he couldn't stop melo who was on a hot streak is unfair. while the ultimate goal of defense is to stop the opponent from scoring, the first step is to make them take difficult shots. i think gallo has proven that he can at least force opponents to work harder if they want to score. the notion before this season was that gallo was going to leave a gaping hole in our D. by now i think we have all seen that this is not the case. lock down defender? no. solid defender? yes.

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3/24/2010  3:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2010  3:35 PM
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
eViL wrote:can we revisit some of the major criticisms that many had for gallo before we got to see him play a significant amount of time? is he still a soft euro? does he still play no d? is he still a one trick pony? does he still have no mobility? is he still only a garbage time scorer? looks like some people may have rushed to judgment.

The guy isnt an SF. When he puts the ball on the floor he moves like molasses and gets pathetic lift when he gets contact. Now for a PF that is no big deal but when you want to dance around the perimeter against SF's you need some explosiveness.

His man to man defense is also HIGHLY overrated. I dont think we should be praising Gallo for wanting to guard Carmelo when Carmelo would have dropped 50 if it wasn't for JR Smith chucking in the 4th. I see Gallo as more an ideal help defender around the rim because of his length.

Gallo needs to move closer to the rim and not fall in love with his jumper. For a supposed great shooter he went 1/7 in the first half. Brandon Jennings shoots a higher 3 pt% than Gallo and Jennings is no Ray Allen plus Jennings was considered a brick mason before the draft.

jennings is hitting 39.4% of his 315 3-point attempts, which is very good. gallo's hitting 38.8% of his 417. hardly seems like the comparison to be making if you're trying to make a point.

?

Jennings supposedly is a undersized brick mason with no jumper.

Gallo is a 7 footer who is the best shooter D'Antoni has ever seen and was billed as a shooter from day 1.

I dont see the problem because it is a percentage. If anything maybe someone should tell Gallo he should be jacking LESS 3's.

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3/24/2010  3:36 PM
Effective shooting %:

Gallo: 53.2
Jennings: 43.1

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3/24/2010  3:40 PM
Andrew wrote:Effective shooting %:

Gallo: 53.2
Jennings: 43.1

no offense to anyone, but i don't think everyone here either understands or is willing to understand the idea behind effective shooting percentage, andrew. especially if it's used to counter their argument.

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3/24/2010  3:41 PM
eViL wrote:thanks marv.

to the other points:

i disagree with the idea that his lack of explosion equates lack of mobility. does he get to the rim? yes. does he draw fouls? yes. does it matter how fast or slow he does this? no. it's not always about explosive speed or leaping. sure, that's the most impressive way to get to the rim, but using change of pace moves and proper angles can get you to the hole just as well (only it won't put you on any posters).

and judging his man to man defense by the fact that he couldn't stop melo who was on a hot streak is unfair. while the ultimate goal of defense is to stop the opponent from scoring, the first step is to make them take difficult shots. i think gallo has proven that he can at least force opponents to work harder if they want to score. the notion before this season was that gallo was going to leave a gaping hole in our D. by now i think we have all seen that this is not the case. lock down defender? no. solid defender? yes.

His lack of explosion leads to him being unable to create space wants he starts his drive to the rim. Gallo abuses other bigs so why play him against small guys? He doesnt get those calls consistently anyway. He plays way too far from the rim so he needs more than a dribble or 2 to get to the front of rim. If he played closer he'd be able to use his length to get the rim not his speed.

Gallo forced Carmelo into difficult shots? I dont think so. Gallo is forced to give him way more space because of the speed difference. We all know if you give Carmelo space he is going to blow your face off.

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3/24/2010  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2010  4:00 PM
Andrew wrote:Effective shooting %:

Gallo: 53.2
Jennings: 43.1

I dont even know what that stat is. I use NBA.com. Please explain how it is calculated.

EDIT:
ok just read on www.basketball-reference.com that

eFG% adjusts for the fact that 3 pointers are worth one more point than 2 pointers.

So you get rewarded for jacking alot of shots.

Ex. no.1 Quentin Richardson's 3P% in Phoenix was .358 while his eFG% was .498

Ex. no.2 Stephen Curry's 3P% is .423 while his eFG% is .531

Seems to me the 3P% is the fairer statistic in comparing someones efficiency in shooting 3's which helps to remove deviations due to styles of play.

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