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For the situation we were in in 2008 was MDA the right choice for coach


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BRIGGS
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We could put many variables in here--but Ive gone to a simple yes no answer. I voted no because it made no sense hiring a coach for so much money when our only *plan* was to get as much free agent money and put a core together through the draft and concentrate on development for 2 years. I think we will not know whether or not Jordan Hill wouldve been a decent player going forward because he was not afforded reasonable consistent time that a 7 pick should get on a 30 win team void of size.
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Yes
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No


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2/28/2010  9:12 PM
didnt walsh say he couldnt mess up on the 08/09 draft? right now that isnt looking too good since 1 of them is gone and another hardly plays.
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2/28/2010  9:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2010  9:55 PM
Dolan and Co needed to bring attansion back to teh team, sell the tickets, fill the void after Isiahs crazy train crashed.
They made the perfect choise financialy.
From bbal prespective the only better choise was Zen-Master but he is to smart to get into MSG messy busuness.
MDA has extra large ego which id bigger that his mind so we were able to drag him in.
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2/28/2010  10:12 PM
He wasn't the right choice in my opinion. He had no use for some of the teams assets (i.e. Marbury's contract, Nate ...) and cast them aside because he did not want to deal with them despite what was best for the team. In the draft I believe his influence led to the Knicks picking players that fit his system (08) or character profile (09) rather than getting a center and point guard for a team that desperately needed them. I think as a coach in a rebuilding situation where most of the team was not going to be around the following year he needed to play the lottery pick and other first round pick. Again a significant asset was devalued and traded away. There has been a lot of talk about how if the Knicks won this year and got into the playoffs they would get LBJ's attention. D'Antoni's mantra for much of this year has been that the team was trying to make the playoffs. If that was the goal the team should have left training camp prepared, and ready to play instead of going 1-9 to start the season. His communication issues have created alot of drama. I remember reading a former Suns player said that he hated confrontations. I think that is accurate and he avoids them by not communicating why he benches guys. This has backfired for him in NY, created alot of unneccessary drama, and has forced the GM to protect him and trade guys and get less value back. I also think his fear of confrontations has led to roster decisions that have hurt the Knicks. Jason Williams, Tinsley, A. I., and Brandon Jennings were all available for the Knicks and passed over. I think D'Antoni's difficulties in dealing with players that might need him to be an authority figure, set limits and occasionally have a confrontation are why none of these guys were acquired to take minutes from Duhon. D'Antoni's player rotations in NY seem to be based on playing guys that are vets with high character that will not put him in a position where he has to confront them. Talent, youth, and height are all non factors in determining who gets to play for him. I am very concerned about how he develops young players and I think with a rebuilding team that is an important part of the job. I don't think he is a good game coach especially in the final 2 minutes.

I think there were a lot of red flags regarding D'Antoni that would indicate a rebuilding job in a city like NY was the wrong job for him. D'Antoni had trouble with media criticism in Phoenix. D'Antoni's ego caused him to leave the perfect roster for him because he was being asked to change and emphasize defense more. Some columnists have written about how D'Antoni didn't like practice and Grant Hill was quoted as saying that the Suns, "sometimes practice for twenty minutes." I don't think D'Antoni prepares his team for individual opponents defensively but instead focuses on perfecting his offense. In my opinion, there is no way that a team can win a championship with a coach who has that philosophy.

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2/28/2010  10:35 PM
You guys are just hatters. You see MDA sucking at his profession, not properly developing his younger players, playing guys significant minutes who are quote on quote not part of this team's future, sounding confuse during post games, not speaking with some of his players and blaming others for his faults for two years was all part of Walsh's 2010 plan. It's complex, sometimes even I don't understand it myself. Truth be told I think he catches Donnie off guard with it too. But don't worry as soon as we get Lebron and Bosh and sign a healthy T-Mac at a minimum price it will all work itself out like magic. And don't worry about Lebron, I heard him and MDA are the bestest of friends. They met at summer camp or something and he won't let his buddy down. Go Knicks!
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2/28/2010  10:39 PM

I don't think he is right for any situation...His style of play is a gimmick..You have a PF playing center...I don't know why everyone with a center just post us everytime down court...
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2/28/2010  11:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2010  11:23 PM
Maybe it didn't matter who the coach was for three years of sucking, so they brought in a name who could generate some buzz. Would we have got excited over Herb Williams resuming the helm?
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3/1/2010  12:50 AM
briggs, you keep saying jordan hill was pick 7. he was pick 8. i think that makes a huge difference in how much playing time he gets.
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3/1/2010  2:46 AM
BasketballJones wrote:Maybe it didn't matter who the coach was for three years of sucking, so they brought in a name who could generate some buzz. Would we have got excited over Herb Williams resuming the helm?

bukkake level excitement

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3/1/2010  2:51 AM
YAWN... How many "I hate D'Antoni" threads are we gonna have? If you're Walsh you'd be KILLED if you left a coach like D'Antoni on the table and took a Mark Jackson or some other guy and the team lost like this. They'd be asking why we took a chance on an unknown or some retread coach that had lost on his previous team which is most likely why they'd be available.

It just shows how out of touch with the truth we can be. This team isn't built to win! If you switch things up any way u want we still lose. Another thing is they really don't have a major commitment to the kids when they clear 30+ million to sign FA's. If I hear another call for the kids to have played more this yr I'll scream. These kids will have a chance to develop but realize that they will be part of the solution but not THE solution. That's what the cap space is for and those guys are gonna have the dominant roles on this team. Gallo n Chan played a ton! The only kid left is TD and he wasn't gonna change our fortunes no matter how much he played this yr.

MDA was brought here for the 2010 season and beyond. If he stinks up the joint then he'll be fired. I think you all know he's not gonna stink so get used to him being here.

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3/1/2010  3:10 AM
nixluva wrote:YAWN... How many "I hate D'Antoni" threads are we gonna have? If you're Walsh you'd be KILLED if you left a coach like D'Antoni on the table and took a Mark Jackson or some other guy and the team lost like this. They'd be asking why we took a chance on an unknown or some retread coach that had lost on his previous team which is most likely why they'd be available.

It just shows how out of touch with the truth we can be. This team isn't built to win! If you switch things up any way u want we still lose. Another thing is they really don't have a major commitment to the kids when they clear 30+ million to sign FA's. If I hear another call for the kids to have played more this yr I'll scream. These kids will have a chance to develop but realize that they will be part of the solution but not THE solution. That's what the cap space is for and those guys are gonna have the dominant roles on this team. Gallo n Chan played a ton! The only kid left is TD and he wasn't gonna change our fortunes no matter how much he played this yr.

MDA was brought here for the 2010 season and beyond. If he stinks up the joint then he'll be fired. I think you all know he's not gonna stink so get used to him being here.

I don't know that. His current style of coaching has not proven that to me at all.

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3/1/2010  3:27 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:YAWN... How many "I hate D'Antoni" threads are we gonna have? If you're Walsh you'd be KILLED if you left a coach like D'Antoni on the table and took a Mark Jackson or some other guy and the team lost like this. They'd be asking why we took a chance on an unknown or some retread coach that had lost on his previous team which is most likely why they'd be available.

It just shows how out of touch with the truth we can be. This team isn't built to win! If you switch things up any way u want we still lose. Another thing is they really don't have a major commitment to the kids when they clear 30+ million to sign FA's. If I hear another call for the kids to have played more this yr I'll scream. These kids will have a chance to develop but realize that they will be part of the solution but not THE solution. That's what the cap space is for and those guys are gonna have the dominant roles on this team. Gallo n Chan played a ton! The only kid left is TD and he wasn't gonna change our fortunes no matter how much he played this yr.

MDA was brought here for the 2010 season and beyond. If he stinks up the joint then he'll be fired. I think you all know he's not gonna stink so get used to him being here.

I don't know that. His current style of coaching has not proven that to me at all.

See that's the illusion of watching a good coach try to coach a bad team. How bad did Riley look with the heat when they stunk? How about Doc Rivers before they added KG n Allen? I could go on and on with examples. A really good they say might get you 5-10 more wins on a good team. This is why he was brought here to coach the team we put together this summer.

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3/1/2010  3:36 AM
nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:YAWN... How many "I hate D'Antoni" threads are we gonna have? If you're Walsh you'd be KILLED if you left a coach like D'Antoni on the table and took a Mark Jackson or some other guy and the team lost like this. They'd be asking why we took a chance on an unknown or some retread coach that had lost on his previous team which is most likely why they'd be available.

It just shows how out of touch with the truth we can be. This team isn't built to win! If you switch things up any way u want we still lose. Another thing is they really don't have a major commitment to the kids when they clear 30+ million to sign FA's. If I hear another call for the kids to have played more this yr I'll scream. These kids will have a chance to develop but realize that they will be part of the solution but not THE solution. That's what the cap space is for and those guys are gonna have the dominant roles on this team. Gallo n Chan played a ton! The only kid left is TD and he wasn't gonna change our fortunes no matter how much he played this yr.

MDA was brought here for the 2010 season and beyond. If he stinks up the joint then he'll be fired. I think you all know he's not gonna stink so get used to him being here.

I don't know that. His current style of coaching has not proven that to me at all.

See that's the illusion of watching a good coach try to coach a bad team. How bad did Riley look with the heat when they stunk? How about Doc Rivers before they added KG n Allen? I could go on and on with examples. A really good they say might get you 5-10 more wins on a good team. This is why he was brought here to coach the team we put together this summer.

Scott Skiles coaches a worse team and look at his results. Look at Larry Brown with Charlotte. Look at Vinny Del Negro. Why are these coaches having their teams overachieve and our coach has our team underachieving? Our team is better than 20-38. It's not a playoff team but certainly not one of the 5 worst in the NBA. We're better than the Bucks for sure. It's no excuse why a team less talented than us gets better results.

I'm not on on the "Fire D'Antoni" bandwagon just yet but it's time to really seriously discuss his shortcomings because he does have his fair share. If he sucks next season, he should be fired. No ifs, ands or buts. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. If he's underachieving next year, fire him.

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3/1/2010  3:36 AM
nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:YAWN... How many "I hate D'Antoni" threads are we gonna have? If you're Walsh you'd be KILLED if you left a coach like D'Antoni on the table and took a Mark Jackson or some other guy and the team lost like this. They'd be asking why we took a chance on an unknown or some retread coach that had lost on his previous team which is most likely why they'd be available.

It just shows how out of touch with the truth we can be. This team isn't built to win! If you switch things up any way u want we still lose. Another thing is they really don't have a major commitment to the kids when they clear 30+ million to sign FA's. If I hear another call for the kids to have played more this yr I'll scream. These kids will have a chance to develop but realize that they will be part of the solution but not THE solution. That's what the cap space is for and those guys are gonna have the dominant roles on this team. Gallo n Chan played a ton! The only kid left is TD and he wasn't gonna change our fortunes no matter how much he played this yr.

MDA was brought here for the 2010 season and beyond. If he stinks up the joint then he'll be fired. I think you all know he's not gonna stink so get used to him being here.

I don't know that. His current style of coaching has not proven that to me at all.

See that's the illusion of watching a good coach try to coach a bad team. How bad did Riley look with the heat when they stunk? How about Doc Rivers before they added KG n Allen? I could go on and on with examples. A really good they say might get you 5-10 more wins on a good team. This is why he was brought here to coach the team we put together this summer.

what haapens if walsh strikes out? does mike get a pass till he has all-nba talent around?

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3/1/2010  11:14 AM
Everybody's finally seeing Danphoney for who he really is. LOL The Emperor with New Clothes
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3/1/2010  11:27 AM
Blame the coach? EUREKA!!! I think we've found the solution to all our problems. If only we thought of this sooner. FIRE THE COACH!! Damn, it's so simple; staring us right in the face. Look out league. They scared now.
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3/1/2010  11:39 AM
playa2 wrote:Everybody's finally seeing Danphoney for who he really is. LOL The Emperor with New Clothes

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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3/1/2010  11:52 AM
eViL wrote:Blame the coach? EUREKA!!! I think we've found the solution to all our problems. If only we thought of this sooner. FIRE THE COACH!! Damn, it's so simple; staring us right in the face. Look out league. They scared now.

It's what NY basketball is all about.

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3/1/2010  12:10 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
eViL wrote:Blame the coach? EUREKA!!! I think we've found the solution to all our problems. If only we thought of this sooner. FIRE THE COACH!! Damn, it's so simple; staring us right in the face. Look out league. They scared now.

It's what NY basketball is all about.

They bring up Skiles and LB and even Adelman as examples of coaches doing a great job with lesser talent but those teams actually make sense roster wise. They may not have top talent but the teams have better balance and have a core of guys that have chemistry together but still each of those coaches has been Fired for what were considered bad coaching jobs. To me in most cases the teams sucked and the coach had bite the bullet.

What guys are forgetting is that not every bad coaching job is really about the coach. A great coach can help win you 5-10 more games. It's still about the players. You get the right players and you can win with a High School coach. That's what all this clearing cap space has been about.

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3/1/2010  12:16 PM
lb has won in multiple stops.
adelman has won in multiple stops.
d'antoni does not have their pedigree or resume.

skiles is proving his pedigree now with the bucks.

d'antoni is still a big question mark.

if mike brown can get lebron to the finals, then is paying a guy like d'antoni $4 mil a year necessary?

there is nothing he has shown over the past 2 seasons to have some of you stick up for the guy.

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3/1/2010  12:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2010  12:24 PM
I'm old school so I want my coach to be a strict disciplinarian who is defense and rebounding oriented. So I don't and can't like Mike D'Antoni and his system. It's weak, too small and soft. Living on jump shots and playing no defense and allow 100 lay-up's each game is not a winning system. I don't care what he did in Phoenix either. I also can't stand him smiling and cracking jokes after losses either. I wanted Scott Skiles and would so fire D'Antoni and hire Avery Johnson if I was Donnie Walsh. D'Antoni is just a younger Don Nelson to me.
For the situation we were in in 2008 was MDA the right choice for coach

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